A great read for MMA history guys

No, he was a Judoka but he never participated in modern Pro Wrestling. And he wasn't a pro wrestler first and a Judo master second like you made it sound.

Come on, even you understand that what Maeda did pre 1940 was nothing like pro wrestling today.

As I said, crazy stretch even for SD.

 

Yeah, I am baffled as to how anyone uses Maeda to connect the Gracies with modern Pro Wrestling.

 

To be fair, I didn't bring him up.

I haven't really stooped to anything. I've been making points that you've been pretending (I hope your pretending) to not understand.

 

I posted the only info I could find online. I asked you to post better info. You haven't.

As I said, I'm sure you're just pretending to not understand these simple things.

 

So whats your agenda Stevedave? Really.

 

I should have just stayed out of the thread like I had been doing as long as this thread has existed.

With that said, it certainly wouldn't be crazy for me to make posts to stir the pot in a heated debate. :nana:

 

Don't really have one. I'm just defending the facts.

 

Do you really think we are that stupid?

 

Let's just say I have an agenda. That I get a kick out of the fact that some of you guys absolutely hate the idea that MMA as we know it today has been, to some extent, influenced by Japanese pro wrestling.

It still doesn't make anything I've said incorrect, does it?

 

I have nothing to gain by "winning" this debate, trust me. Just having some fun, and there is some actually some good information posted in here.

 

I'm well aware of that. But those scripted matches were a part of the evolution from pro wrestling to mixed martial arts in Japan.

 

I am sure his agenda is to equate the UFC to merely the same thing as the WWE. I just don't really see anything wrong with saying MMA today has roots from the old Japanes Pro Wrestling or Shoot wrestling as some might say. It has nothing to do with Vince McMahon and Stone Cold Steve Austin.

 

Nah man, it really isn't. Obviously it's not the same thing as the WWE.

 

Wrestling has always been huge in Japan, nobody thought that people would actually pay to see real matches, as scripted matches could be made as entertaining as they wanted them to be. Inoki among others pretty much bridged the gap between the fake and the real.

 

Right. That's my understanding too. Godfather says that isn't true though, so I was hoping he could post some information that can show me the light.

 

So what did they lead to?

 

I don't think you're stupid. I'm not sure about Trplsec... but you aren't stupid. Your problem is your refusal to see the other side of the story. In your ten years of posting, I don't think I've ever seen you change your stance on a big picture issue, no matter how big the mountain of evidence is on the other side.

You're stubborn.

 

So shoot wrestling wasn't a part of the evolution between pro wrestling and MMA in Japan?

Did the popularity of those shoot fighting matches in the 70s not lead to the eventual creation of Shooto?

 

So Stevedave. Would you also assume that The Harlem Globetrotters influenced the NBA?

 

The disconnect is, once again, your refusal to understand what influence means. You don't know what the word means. I don't know how I can make it any more clear.

 

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Seriously?