Who has the best shot at beating Jones @ 205 ?

Hendo couldn't stop Jake Shields from taking him down. Enough said.

 

Dude, you should never, ever, ever, ever mention Mayweather in the same breath as GSP when it comes to taking fights.

Expressing the desire to build size the right way and not jump up to fast does not even equate to being 1/100000000 Mayweather.

Plus, last time I checked, GSP has cleaned out his OWN division with the exception of Shields who is next on the schedule.

 

yea. honestly, i dont know how much silva has left and it wouldnt surprise me if either guy wins. if i had to bet though, i'd probably go w/ jones based on size and takedown ability.

 

You're absolutely correct we shouldn't mention GSP and Mayweather, only when and if he DUCKS Silva, will the verb Mayweather be utilized.

The only difference is Silva is a bigger guy and not some little guy coming up and cleaning the higher divisions out, which makes the GSP Mayweather comparison even WORSE.

 

I probably know MMA better than you to be honest Bob. I've been watching it since UFC1 came out on video.

If you think Machida has a realistic chance of beating Jones then YOU don't know MMA.

Machida is simply not as good as Jones. He gets bashed.

Impossible that Machida wins? Of course not, MMA is unpredictable. But highly, highly unlikely.

And yeah, Jones would be a tough match for Silva, but Silva has subs, it wouldn't shock me to see Silva pull a submission a la Sonnen.

Plus, Silva simply has better striking than Jones, even with the reach deficit, I say he beats Jones standing.

I would actually pick Jones, as I think Silva is somewhat overrated, and Jones is fucking huge and in his prime, but Silva has the best shot of that lot by simply being better.

 

Overrated??? And who's actually LEGIT In your opinion???? :scared:

 

Even if GSP NEVER fights Silva you shouldn't use the word Mayweather. If GSP ducked Frankie Edgar or Maynard, then maybe you could perhaps remotely think about using it.

No choosing to jump up 15 pounds to fight the best fighter in the world doesn't equate to Mayweather dodging Manny. Not even close.

If you can't see that, I can't help you.

 

Good question.

Silva is called the best fighter on the planet P4P and he's only proven that over the last 6 years by being unbeatable in the toughest MMA organization in the world.

And, he's beaten strikers, wrestlers, top-of-the-food-chain BJJ guys, and everyone in between.

Yeah, he's overrated:doh::doh:

 

I know, but I've seen a lot of MMA, put it that way. Mainly UFC and Pride, but I've been watching it for fucking years.

Never followed it as closely as boxing, but I've been a proper fan for years.

Haymaker, don't get me wrong, Silva is very legit, but look at some of his recent fights, he's looked like shit over just decent opposition.

He's overrated in the sense that he is considered P4P #1.

I think GSP is #1 without question. Boring yes, but more dominant performances over better opposition.

 

No doubt. I've watched MMA since UFC 1 and since then have probably logged as many hours as anyone watching the sport from local shows to Bellator to the UFC. And I can't pick a fight right to save my life!


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Read it again, in context.

"Somewhat" overrated. Overrated only in the sense that he is considered by many to be #1 P4P.

Nonito Donaire is better than Anderson Silva, but even he being considered P4P #1 would be overrating him.

I have no problem with Anderson being considered #2 P4P, but considering him the #1 is overrating him yes, considering recent performances and opposition.

 

I agree with that. The 2 situations aren't even remotely comparable. Manny is a natural featherweight that Floyd talks shit about.

Silva is a significantly bigger man than GSP. He is under no obligation to fight him, just like Anderson is under no obligation to move up and fight Jones.

Even if GSP flat out says "I don't want to fight him", it's not ducking.

 

What? Are you kidding. You can make a stand about level of opposition, but GSP has been nowhere near as dominant as Silva. Do you realize only 2 of Silva's 13 UFC fights have gone the distance? The dude has stopped 11 of his last 13 opponents in the freaking UFC. That's dominance.

 

And he'll DUCK Martinez too, only 7 pounds north...

 

Koscheck really isn't much better or better at all than Chael Sonnen to be honest and Alves was pretty weight drained.

GSP's really only great win was against Fitch and BJ Penn.

 

I'm pretty sure people are calling Silva the P4P top guy in MMA, not boxing. So the Donaire comparison makes zero sense.

 

Well, he beat a still pretty good Matt Hughes but split fights with him. And he also split fights with freaking Matt Serra.

And keep in mind, Penn moved up to face GSP and actually only lost a narrow decision in the first fight.

 

, what?

Compare Silva's performance against Sonnen to GSP's performance against Koscheck, who is basically a slightly better version of Sonnen.

Then factor in his clear wins but rather pathetic performances against guys like Cote, Maia, Leite etc, and GSP's dominant wins over Penn and Fitch.

Again, read what I am saying more clearly. More dominant/better opposition in RECENT fights.

What are we going to do next, compare GSP's performance against Serra with Silva's performance against Franklin?

 

It makes perfect sense. My point is AT BOXING Nonito is even better than Silva is at MMA.

Yet I would still consider Nonito to be overrated if he was considered P4P #1.

 

Once again, I'm talking about RECENT FUCKING FORM. That's what counts when disussing fighters.

In the Penn rematch, GSP thrashed Penn. He also thrashed Hughes and Serra in rematches.

The GSP now is a very different animal to the one that fought Hughes and the one that fought Penn the first time.

More boring yes, but much, much better.

 

Oh my god, that is just moronic. That's like me saying the Packers are even better at football than the Lakers are at basketball so the Lakers can't be considered the best at their sport.

Dude, you've lost it.

 

I haven't lost it, you're just a bit slow.

My point is, however good someone is, they can still be considered overrated.

Anderson, as good as he is, shouldn't be considered the #1 MMA fighter, as based on recent form and level of comp, GSP is better.

Donaire, as good as he is, shouldn't be considered the #1 boxer as long as Pacquiao is around and at the top of his game. Doing so would be overrating him.

Both Nonito and Silva are the #2 in their sports, but having them as #1 is overrating them.

 

Well, we just have to disagree because until someone actually beats Silva I am going to continue to look at his win streak and 11 finishes in 13 fights as superior to GSP.

And if we want to look at recent performances, Silva hardly broke a sweat knocking Belfort senseless within minutes. And we can slam the Sonnen fight, but don't lose sight of the fact that Silva finished him.

To me, that's how a top guy handles an over matched opponent. And yes, I do detract from GSP for not finishing clearly over matched guys like Hardy and Koscheck.

 

So do I.

But that's from an entertainment perspective.

GSP is a safety first fighter, and honestly, I find his fights boring. Impressive, but boring.

But him not finishing, or not being prepared to finish guys like that just adds to how hard it is to beat him. He takes minimal risks.

Vitor Belfort? Really?

Any true MMA fan would have know before the fight that Vitor wouldn't make it out of the first round.

That result was as obvious as Fedor vs Arlovski.

If you would have asked me 3 years ago I would have said yeah, Silva is better than GSP.

The point is, GSP looks more effective than ever at the moment and Silva doesn't look as good as he used to.

The recent GSP hasn't even come close to losing a round, and he's faced better guys than Silva has recently.

 

Still moronic. Nonito has done nothing in his career to compare to what Manny has. The same is absolutely not true with Silva and GSP.

Again, you harp so much on recent fights, so based on your rationale why wouldn't you have Donaire ahead of Manny. Donaire has a string of 4 brutal KO's over top contenders while Manny fought to point wins over recently KO'ed Antonio Margarito and a Joshua Clottey coming off a loss to Cotto.

So again, to simply apply your "recent fight" logic, Donaire should be the clear P4P # 1, right?

You can't narrow your view like that. Even with a P4P ranking you have to consider a fighters overall history. More weight should be given to recent fights but you can't ignore something like Silva's 11 finishes in his last 13 fights.

 

Yep, and Silva did exactly what he should have done against an over matched opponent. He finished him.

 

Nope, Manny is fighting guys significantly bigger than him, Nonito (as good as he is) is fighting guys smaller. He looks fucking huge at 118. A bit like Jones at 205.

Did you see Nonito against Montiel and the Russian guy? He fucking dwarfed them.

Cotto is better than anyone Donaire has fought too.

How the fuck can you not take that into account? You realise that what Manny is doing is ridiculously impressive in large part because he's a natural featherweight right?

 

Then why don't you talk about the Leites and Maia fights?

They were beyond pathetic.

Did he do what should have done to those overmatched foes and finish them? No he didn't, he just clowned around like a fucking retard and made no effort to actually engage them or finish them.

Are you forgetting that after the Maia fight Dana White actually apologised to the fans??

Jesus christ, those performances were FAR worse than anything GSP has done from a fan perspective.