Who has the best shot at beating Jones @ 205 ?

And when you factor in the grappling aspect, weight is a huge factor in MMA.

But again, when you look at a P4P ranking you can't just throw out Anderson Silva walking right through Irvin, and even more impressively, Forest Griffin.

Griffin has fought most of the top guys at 205 and when did anyone else make him look so inept?

 

Who is discrediting the Griffin win?

 

BJ thought he lost because he was exausted with the fightplan to take HIM down early.

Look at the difference in the Sanchez, Hughes' fights. BJ operating on all cylinders. He is so much slower at higher weight and against bigger folk.

He fought Machida for Pete's sake. He can't keep doing that anymore.

 

Who said every fighter was a scrub or a bum? I just said the 185 division is crappy.

 

Again, this is where we differ. First, Griffin isn't a scrub. And your hypocrisy is amazing. Slam Griffin for a loss to Jardine in 2006 but completely dismiss GSP MORE recently tapping to strikes against a lightweight in Matt Serra in 2007 . It kills me how you use your rationale when it suits you..

Second, again you completely dismiss Penn basically fighting to a disputed decision against the naturally bigger GSP in their first fight.

Just let me know what counts in your mind. Is it all fights or just the ones you want to focus on?????

 

MWS called him a scrub. If that's not discredit please tell me what is.

Insane logic.

 

Not you, MWS called Forest Griffin a scrub. Yet somehow Joshua Clottey and Miquel Cotto are legendary.

 

Are you joking? You think Griffin is in the same league as Cotto? Really?

I was exaggerating calling him a scrub. I actually quite like him.

But he's a solid workhorse at high level and nothing more. He's won 1 title and lost it in his next fight.

Cotto is a multi weight division champion with multiple defenses and has been an elite fighter for half his career.

 

Rashad, Jardine.

 

Cotto is pretty average for a boxer, historically speaking.

 

Your fail to spot obvious differences is amazing, really.

If Griffin had hammered Jardine in a rematch then gone on a path of destruction at 205 you'd have a point, I would be being hypocritical.

 

Fixed for you.

 

Not even close. Silva clowned Griffin and stopped him in the first round. Jardine knocked him out but it wasn't near the schooling that Silva gave him.

And Evans-Griffin was a Fight of The Night with 2 judges giving Forest the first two rounds.

That's not even in the same league as Silva-Griffin in terms of Griffin looking inept.

 

Yep, pretty much. At the very least they proved he can be KO'd with ease.

 

Oh, so people were calling GSP a scrub BEFORE he avenged the loss to Serra?

I missed that.

 

Average for an elite fighter, yes.

 

LOL, with ease.. Did you even watch the Evans fight?

Griffin got knocked out but it wasn't with ease.

 

Yes it was easy. Griffin was being competitive with Evans, then WHAM, ko'd.

It's not like he took a huge amount of punishment to be stopped. Same with Jardine.

 

No, I never said he was in the same league as Cotto. Just getting you to recant calling him a scrub.

You did. We are on the same page.

 

So, again, based on your rationale Marciano knocked Walcott out "with ease."

It's an exaggeration to compare them but you get the point. Just because a guy lands a knockout shot doesn't erase how competitive the rest of the fight was.

That's ridiculous.

But the point is, neither compares to how absolutely without effort Silva stopped Griffin. Neither is even in the same universe. Period.

 

Steve_dave on vacation or something?

It's been his cue for a while now.

 

I was thinking the exact same thing!:hammert:

 

I thought Forrest was winning both of those fights up until the stoppage. He had zero success against Silva and was stopped in 1.

Nobody has clowned Forrest like Silva did, that is a fact.

 

For real?

 

And that was my ONLY point. I wasn't saying Griffin was a world beater or difficult to beat.

 

Forrest has obviously lost before and been stopped, but he's never been so outclassed. It wasn't that Silva stopped him, it was how he did it and how stupid he made Forrest look in the process.

 

I agree, Silva stomped Griffin with ease, he stood no chance.

Let's not forget though, it was the very first round that Jardine KO'd him. He got the same result as Silva, KO1. Griffin doing better in the first 3 minutes doesn't mean that much to be honest, the result is they both took him out in a round.

I'm not arguing that Silva's win is no more impressive than the others.

What I AM arguing is that Forrest is clearly not the hardest guy to KO. He has a lot of heart etc, but not the best chin. IIRC it was basically single blows from both Jardine and Evans that stopped him.

 

Ok, you win. Jardine looked as impressive as Anderson did against Forrest.