Vitaly Klitschko fights Solis tomorrow

See that's the very faulty premise that skewers everything else.... Start with a wrong answer and skewer everything else behind it.

 

A light heavyweight and cruiserweight champ is poop.

An undisputed cruiserweight champion with 1 punch power is poop.

One of the most successful amateurs in heavyweight history is poop.

I see.

 

Don Fullmer beat Jimmy Ellis.


Who wins between Don Fullmer and Adamek?

 

Have you seen Haye vs. Valuev? Or Solis vs. Austin? Solis vs. V. Klitschko?

Adamek look decent, I'll give you that. Although, to be fair, he was already badly outclassed at light heavyweight.

 

Ellis lost to Rubin Carter at 160, ffs. Quarry's one notable win is over a past prime Floyd Patterson.

But Adamek, Solis and Haye are 'joke' contenders.

Purely because the Klits are so much better than them. But of course the Klits suck, that's a given, so everyone they can dominate must be 'jokes'.

Adamek & Haye >>> Ellis & Quarry.

 

Jimmy Ellis lost to a lot of guys.

 

Seriously, you sound like HBO or G with this garbage.

 

So, after the champ, Ellis and Quarry were the two top contenders of their day?

 

And you sound like a person who's trying to squeeze reality into a total incorrect starting premise, like trying to pour 2 litres of jelly into a one litre bowel. It's spilling everywhere, the kitchen floors all sticky, its no fun.

Cruiserweight, light heavyweight & multi-Olympic & World Championship champions don't suck. In no other era do they suck. If Larry Holmes fought an undistputed 200lb champion with 1 punch power he wouldn't suck. If he fought one of the most decorated Cuban heavyweights ever, undefeated in the pros he wouldn't suck. You might not like the way they fight, but they wouldn't suck.

And heavyweight champions who dominate guys like this must be pretty good, even if they aren't exciting to watch. There's no two ways about this because their achievements in other realms, outside the Klitschko dominated division, which must suck because we hate them, validate their quality. So if the Klitschko's suck, the whole sport must suck. And it doesn't. It's nice. The jelly tastes nice.

Come, accept reality and breath with us. It's spring time here we're eating jelly.

 

War HutHut!

 

It is also well established that despite trying to be objective, you don't want to give any credit whatsoever to Klitshkos

 

No but they're accepted as being good contenders for some reason. Im just saying Haye, Adamek, Solis (Povetkin) are better than those guys. Things aren't as bad as they seem.

 

First, out of the four that you keep mentioning, only one has fought a Klitschko.

I don't think the Klitschko's suck. But the division does. Shame on you for even attempting a comparison between the current days heavies and those from the 70s. And shame on you for ignoring what happens in the ring, and in your nicest promoter shirt hyping a bunch of nonsense that only covers for the fact that between those four mean, they have accomplished sweet fuck all in professional heavyweight boxing.

 

Solis has not shown that he's a better professional boxer than Jimmy Ellis or Jerry Quarry. Haye's best name is still Mormeck, a pretty solid cruiserweight that was past his best. He was less impressive than a 2008 Evander Holyfield was vs. Valuev.

Adamek couldn't hang at light heavyweight... I'll be interesting to see what he's able to do at heavy, he's looked solid if not spectacular, but a win over Chirs Arreola isn't what I'm looking for.

 

All those fights are still to come! It's an exciting time. I'm positively delirious shouting loudly in an empty room, spitting jelly all over my keyboard.

See, exciting doesn't = quality. The quality contenders are there. Not your Foreman's, Fraziers, Tyson's, Holyfield's (Klitshcko) level contenders, but credible, accomplished contenders who will offer a very good historical gauge of the dominant champions we have TODAY (if they can avoid snapping their ligaments in the first round).

 

Quarry was pretty close to being a top contender, big wins over Floyd Patterson, Thad Spencer, Mac Foster, Ron Lyle, Earnest Shavers, Buster Mathis, Lorenzo Zanon pretty much kept him in the loop for 10 years or more. He also fought Ali twice and Frazier twice, and beat up fringe British contenders like Jack Bodell and Brian London. He was also supposedly avoided by Foreman, who regarded his style as problematic.

He may have been cut prone and undersized but he remained a contender back then, although I concede some of his wins were surprising at the time, which would suggest he was lightly regarded.

 

Age card, my ass. I'm just telling you my own experience. And watching fight films doesn't give you the true experience of what was actually going on at the time.

I never said that makes me a better fan than anyone else, but it DOES give me a perspective that someone who was not a fan at the time DOES NOT have. You asked me about IF I was a fan during Joe Louis' time...and I don't know if I would find the time boring...because I wasn't there. It's easy to say "woulda and coulda"...but looking back and watching films doesn't give the true experience.

I've been a fan of heavyweight boxing for a long time...and this current time is easily the least interesting I've seen. You can create these description of these fighters in any manner you like, but then I actually watch them in the ring and they are nowhere as impressive as the apologists make them out to me. I keep hearing how these are "good" fighters, but then the REALITY of watching them fight shows me something different.

Your descriptions of these fighters read like ad copy.

Solis is a former amateur star, but he still hasn't done much of anything of note. If you are all excited about a win over Ray Austin, then good for you. Heavyweight history has many examples of decorated amatuers who were nothing special as pros. Tyrell Biggs jumps out in my mind. The media tried to sell him as a threat to Tyson, but watching him in the ring never convinced me he had a shot of even giving Tyson a good fight. And when he got his title shot, he was massacred by Tyson.

Haye was a big puncher at Crusier. It remains to be seen if he is one at Heavy. When he made the jump to heavy, all I heard was here was the guy who was gonna pump some life into the division...and so far, he has done nothing of the sort. I don't know about you...but a KO win over Audley Harrison didn't do a thing for me.

Adamek...another fighter the jury is still out on at heavy. He beat Arreola, who totally sucks, and a washed-up Michael Grant (who was never much in his "prime").

I'm not sold on any of these fighters as good heavies. MAYBE one of them will turn out to be. We'll see. They all have a lot to prove at heavy.

And...it's not like I WANT the division to suck. I would LOVE it if there was something to be interested in or excited about. But there isn't. AND...like I said, I refuse to say something is good if I don't think it is.

 

COLOSTOMY!!!!!

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Bottom line is, if these were contenders for a champion you enjoyed like Holyfield or Tyson your spin on them would be different. They're unspectacular contenders but worthy, credible contenders. As was Solis. Which is a big improvement on what we were seeing 5 years ago or so, IMO. Things are getting better, it's just that people won't be happy until the Klits go. That's the real problem, not the contenders. They could get as good as you like, but they'll all still be awful by default until they beat rid us of the Klits.

 

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Tyson fought people like "Slammin Sammy Schaff" and "Irish Mick Jameson".

 

Fair enough. I choose to Polly Anna it with my jelly for now. I look forward to watching these fights.:Thumbs:

 

These fellows are not accomplished professional heavyweights.

 

Nope. I've said plenty of times they are good fighters. But I am not going to upgrade their competition just to make them look better.

I call it how I see it. You are obviously a big fan of them and are easily offended by anyone who doesn't want to pretend the division is in good shape right now.

If the brothers Klitschko fought better opposition, I would be more impressed. It's as easy as that.

 

If you want to consider Solis a step in the right direction, I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on this one.

 

You know what irks the fucking jelly right out of my bowels is that if there were no Povekin, no Wlad, no Vitali, no Chagaev, no Haye, none of these guys....the Yanks would be sitting around the fire with Kevin Johnson, Tony Thompson, Chris Arreola, Mike Grant, Tye Fields, Eddie Chambers and whatever else they could find and they would be absolutely fucking delighted with themselves.

Kevin Johnson would be the new Jimmy Young. Tye Fields would be the new Cooney. Eddie Chambers would be the new Jimmy Ellis. Arreola would be the new Manuel Ramos. Holyfield would be the new George Foreman. And everything would be sweet.

 

Look man, it's you, not Ugo, that has nationality issues, understand?

 

Are you serious?

The Yanks loved John Ruiz? And Chris Byrd?

 

Yeah, in his first year as a pro.

 

Not me.