Odlanier Solis vs a '92 Riddick Bowe

Odlanier Solis was a Cuban amateur star and did well for 2 minutes against Vitali Klitschko. How does he fare against a 1992 version of Riddick Bowe?

I think it's pretty much up to Solis how he wins - at a ripped 6'1" 250 lbs, he certainly has the power to stop Bowe, but he also has the skills to put a boxing clinic on him (remember, he was a Cuban amateur star).

Ultimately I guess I'd take Solis by KO. He has the chin to stand & trade with Bowe (as long as he doesn't hurt his leg) and he's definitely shown the ability to crack, blasting out a quality and prime Monte Barrett in 2 rounds.

 

This is a joke thread right ?

 

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So far Solis was an amateur star and that's about it.

 

Don't forget that Solis could also look like shit on purpose and carry Bowe for a while in an attempt to con his way into a title shot.

 

Hardy fucking har, very droll.:shit:

 

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What's actually :shit: is that you brought up this notion. I mean...really???

You used to be a better poster than that.

 

Aye, dismissing EVEYTTTHINNGG after 1995 as total shite represents a far better contribution. Thank fuck for better posters, great stuff. :bears:

This next one's for you mate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-nUB2nFF5A

 

Dude, I don't want to end up in a useless pissing contest with you, but when the Hell did you turn into Stafford???

You used to be pretty reasonable, but this recent trend of WANTING the Klitscko's opposition to be good is starting to remind me of Stafford's attempts to "prove" that Mayweather's 147 lb opposition is more than it really was.

And, sorry to say, you are full of shit with this most recent post. I've never claimed everything from 1995 on sucks. I don't think much of our current heavyweight division (and with good reason), but I was a Lewis fan for his entire title reign (despite being a "Yank"). And there are plenty of great/good fighters from the 90's to now...I've had plenty of good things to say about many of fighters from the last 15 years. I've never, ever said the crap you are attempting to attribute to me.

What the Hell happened to you?? You used to be a pretty knowledgeable and level-headed poster..I don't know when you started getting ridiculously pissy and prone to silly exaggeration when someone doesn't agree with you.

This is the exact same BS childish overreaction I would expect from Stafford. And you are normally better than this. WTF??

 

Seriously, Hut, I love you man, but there is nothing even remotely remarkable about Solis

 

Dude...he is possessed with the ghost of Stafford. It's the only explanation. ::

 

Solis is a decent B class heavyweight. He's a worthy contender nothing more. I just think there's much more to him than the Austin fight indicates, a position supported by the 2:58 seconds of action he put up against Klitschko before his cruciate injury as well as one of the most illustrious amateur careers in heavyweight history (and I think everyone knows my opinions on modern amateur boxing, which weight that claim). I think he's been the victim of terrible luck.

And I also think Povetkin, HAye and Adamek are perfectly solid contenders (aka borderline top 10-15 in ANY era) and people only want to bellttle them because they hate the Klits and can't stand the implications of their being so much better than guys on that level.

I'm not a big Klits fan, never have been. I've just gotten totally sick of this incredible negativity surrounding them, based mainly on their styles and their nationalities. And iIm sick of everyone in the sport apart from Manny Pacquiao being dismissed as bums, which by now is the default position of about 50% of the people on the board. I still quite like boxing, it's good.

 

Hut, do you seriously think a guy like me or a guy like joe would hate on the klitschkos because they are ukranian? I don't even "hate" them, I just don't think they are that great... The heavyweight champ of the world has recently DECISIONED a guy that Lennox Lewis knocked out TWELVE YEARS AGO... a guy that lost to JAMEEL MCCLINE almost NINE YEARS AGO... he DECISIONED that guy... I don't see how we can call that champion a great fighter if he's fighting a guy like that and not basically killing him within about 6 rounds... who is the REALLY GOOD heavyweight scalp on Vitali's ledger?

The heavyweight division absolutely blows right now... it has nothing to do with the Klitschkos, it's not their fault, but it is inescapable... the division sucks

 

Ummmm, Solis was injured because Vitali rocked his fucking world with a glancing right right.

 

Vitali's best win is Corrie Sanders. Seriously. And I'm pretty sure Sanders was either 38 or 39 at the time, and about 10 pounds heavier than he was when he beat Wlad.

 

and he was a fringe contender at his best, anyway

 

A) Lewis is a bigger puncher than Vitali. So what?
B) Briggs is now carrying about 40lb of muscle more. That doesn't make him a better fighter but it will certainly help him take a shot
C) It's a miracle Briggs survived that fight - he shouldn't have been allowed to.
D) Vitali is now also about 40 years old.

Vitali isn't quite as good as Lewis was but he isn't far away. And rather than crying into our pints I don't see why we don't just enjoy having 2 very good champions.

 

Hater.

 

....and a guy who was KOed in 3 by Darroll Wilson.

I'm with you. I don't hate, or even dislike the Klitschkos, but i think they are not quite as good as some would have me believe and their competition is mediocre at best. Like you said, it's not their fault...but it is what it is.

This whole thing with folks getting their panties in a wad because some other folks don't share their opinion of a particular fighter (or that fighter's opposition) is starting to remind me of the "bad old days" when any post that was not complimentary of Tyson was rewarded with a deluge of abusive and repetitive posts from the Tyson faithful.

 

I don't think you hate Klitshkos (about bwj I can't be sure anymore) but I can't see how you hold a decision victory against a guy. Vitali won that bout about 120-106 and never lost half a minute of the fight. Briggs sucked as a contender but a victory can 't really be more convincing than that.

If someone thinks Klitshkos are not exciting enough, that I can well understand, but to say they are not good fighters because their fights are boring or that they are good because of their size and the rest of the division is shit, that is clearly unfair and wrong

 

Oh, please. Don't even try it. My opinions don't work for you so now I am magically a "hater". What a complete bullshit groupie tactic. Foolishness like this gives me a headache

 

I disagree, I think he's quite far away from Lennox

And I absolutely think almost nothing good about Wladimir... the fact that he is still a "champion" is evidence enough of the division's depth, or lack thereof. A guy that vulnerable??? please, he would have been KOd a fourth time if there was even the hint of a real dangerous contender out there

I dont think you need to hit like Lennox Lewis to knock out a guy like Briggs especially at this stage of his never-impressive-to-begin-with career, muscle be damned

 

I can't know what is inside your head, but your posts have given little reason to think otherwise. It goes both ways: I think I am objective (although admittedly a fan) while you think I am biased for Klitshkos.

Yesterday we had a discussion about whether or not size should be counted against a fighter and you seemed to count it against Klitshkos but not Tommy Hearns or Cassius Clay. Unless there is a particular reason, to me that sounds like bias. Again, it is just how it looks like, only you know the truth

 

agREED on Wlad. He has some pretty damning losses on his record that his fans want to treat like they were a bad at-bat in a double header.

And also agREED on Vitali. I don't put him alongside Lewis as an all-time heavy.

 

Yawn, whatever. If it works for you to call me a hater because I don't want to deify the Klitschkos like you do, then knock yourself out.
It's a shame, because I used to enjoy discussing the sport with you...and it was fun to give it to the Tyson groupies, but you are turning into the same kind of poster for the Klitschkos.

I am done talking to you because it's pointless.

 

I don't see how you can be so sure about this, since in the past six years, when Wlad has clearly changed his style as a fighter he has had zero trouble in his fights.

Another Clay comparison: upcoming Cassius Clay was downed by Cooper and Banks and had hard time with Jones and Daniels. In the years after that, he either a) never fought anybody as good anymore or b) learned a thing or two. Likewise with Wlad, after being beaten by Puritty and Brewster all the top contenders have been weaker than the two or Wlad has developed

 

DOWNED, not knocked into oblivion, flopping around the ring like a fish out of water... Clay came abck to win eahc of those fights in dominant fashion

you can not compare Wladimir Klitschko to the greatest heavy of them all

 

It's pretty annoying.

 

Ok, make it Henry Armstrong then, he was beaten twice by Baby Arizmendi early in his career before he became successful. Several great champs from the past have been able to turn their career around.

I am not comparing Wlad's success to Clay's. I am just pointing out that pretty much any fighter in the history can be put down the same way Wlad is and thus I don't see it fair. Clay too had difficulties early in his career, Clay's success was also much based on size and other natural attributes, and Clay, as a champ, was seen as inept by many respected boxing experts of his day (Nat Fleisher most notably), his style was criticized and his success was explained with poor opposition. Wlad, of course has not done same kind of career but the critique is as off-base at times