Vitaly Klitschko fights Solis tomorrow

No seriously, if you counter my points about Hearns and the last one, I think I can understand your take. Right now I just haven't found the logic. And comments like this suggest you have made your mind up before

 

That´s one of my favourites P4P arguments. If you shrink a 6´7 guy to 5´10 he remains stiff and clumsy, but if you grow Tyson to 6´7 he´s still hooking bombs in swift fast combinations from all angles.

 

I didn't mean any sarcasm, actually.

First of all they just win because EVERYONE sucks, even decorated cuban amateurs, undisputed 200lb champs, 175, 200lb titlists, etc. Then they just win because they're big. Fine. But to point out they're the greatest big men ever apart from Lewis and that means something is 'sarcasm'.

It's really like talking to an angry hormonal teenager in a huff, mate. Everything sucks.

 

For me, that's not necessarily why they win. I'm sure they'd be able to handle tougher comp than they've been fighting.

Doesn't change the fact that the heavyweight divison sucks the big, cancerous, over-sized nut.

 

It's pretty weak, but I think it's getting better. It was truly, truly awful 5 years ago or so.

 

We need to get it out there though, man. Solis is fucking AWFUL.

 

I don't think he is.

 

That's all good and grand, but the Ray Austin fight says otherwise. He followed that up by being knocked the fuck out by a glancing blow.

He's pure trash.

 

Calzaghe used to look awful in fights versus guys like Rick Thornberry and David Stairie. Its why people felt Jeff Lacy would destroy him. Same with Stevie Johnston, who was supposedly on the slide, and whom Angel Manfredy was supposed to beat up, or whom Billy Schwer was supposedly was fighting at the right time. Lacy, Schwer and Manfredy all got cut down to size, one way or the other.

Some guys fight down to the opposition.

Solis looked shite vs Austin but for 2 mins 50 seconds he looked more than competent and landed cleaner than anyone has on Vitali for some time.

Then he got hurt.

Is Solis garbage? He is if you go off the Ray Austin fight alone.

 

There's plenty who thought Lacy was a bum and after calzaghe beat him didn't feel it meant a damn thing.

 

Well that kind of makes the point then, doesn't it.

Its why I am delighted Hopkins went on to teach Pascal and Pavlik lessons.

Oh- and everyone thought Lacy was a bum AFTER he had failed to beat Calzaghe.

 

:nono:

 

I agree with Steve.

From the Austin fight it was obvious Solis was scrubby. He then gets KO'd and busts his ankle from jelly legs from a glancing Vitali right hand.

Arreola and Adamek would probably beat Solis.

 

No shit.

Vitali could fight Lennox's old heavy bag tomorrow and it'd get turned into "a guy who trained Lennox Lewis and went many rounds with him without ever getting knocked out."

 

Oh, and I agree Arreola would beat Solis.

LOL. Which fight are you going off of to conclude that he's NOT garbage? The first 2 minutes of his fight with Vitali?? The only people on this planet that think that Solis is not garbage as a pro fighter are Klitschko huggers. Is this just a massive coincidence?

Before the fight, was there a single person who thought that Solis had a snowball's chance in hell against Vitali based on his sterling record?

Come on, you guys sound like bizarre European versions of Trinidiots.

 

I don't care if Im in a minority of one here, because I know just how this sounds, but....

I think the Austin performance was bait to land the Vitali fight. He looked like shit. He barely moved his feet, looked slow as molases, 1 dimensional, sloth like. Drudging forward in one gear stalking, lazy, disinterested.

In short he looked like everything Vitali would feel very comfortable coming up against stylistically.

Then what do we see in the Vitali fight - a guy with very varied and educated feet, good mobility, multi faceted.

If you go through my posts (Im sure nobody will, but anyway....) you'll see that when I saw the Austin fight I thought the same as you. I thought he was another fat, slow footed joke. I think there's more to Solis than the Austin fight indicates though. Honestly, maybe much more. And I think he was a victim of horrendous luck against Vitali we'll probably never know, and my opinion will appear totally idiotic for all time.

Nobody here's a bigger skeptic on amateur boxing than me, but when you're THAT accomplished at amateur level over that long a period, you've got more about you & a more varied skillset than he demonstrated in his Arthur Abraham impersonation vs Ray Austin. But anyway, that's what I tentatively think about Solis.

 

I'll say this about Solis. He looks lethargic as hell at times, especially against guys he knows he's gonna beat anyway - I think he's fundamentally lazy and goes through the motions in those fights.....but he has one attribute Im BIG on and I think is very overlooked when people analyse fighters. Namely he can 'set' to punch in an instant. Standing there - boom - punch with impeccable leverage. No warning, no indication, no major dip, weight transference or telegraphing. In fact, often with a diversionary feint of balance before it. This guy ain't a mechanical Sam Peter, Chris Arreola level fighter in my estimation, i really think he has more about him.

We'll probably never see it though. And if that wasn't a freak temple shot and he really is that chinny, his skill level is irrelevant.

 

Solis done more in that round than Arreola in the whole fight

 

It was a low action round and Vitali was just getting warmed up certainly, but everything clean was landed by Solis and he was generally looking composed. Nobody has ever looked that composed against Vitali.

Don't misunderstand me, I still think Vitali would have won, but it was shaping up to be the most interesting fight he'd been in since Lewis and onne where he might actually have to make adjustments and dig a little. I think it was a real shame. And coupled with the half assed Austin performance Solis is now a confirmed 'bum'/laughing stock. I think we've all missed out a bit here.

 

Arreola never stepped in with a degree of the fluidity or purpose that Solis did, principally because Arreola simply had neither the footwork nor inclination to do so.

Arreola merely plodded forward but because he provided incessant pressure and had Manny "I was just about to Say" Steward gushing about how much pressure he was applying, people get it into their heads that Arreola turned in some sort of a mega performance.

The truth is Arreola offered heart, chin, balls and effort, but that was about all. His performance was akin to that of Eric Lucas vs Roy Jones.

The fight might have lasted 10 times as long as the Solis fight, but that's misleading. Solis looked like he had a plan based around movement, stepping in, getting his shots off and getting away.

 

Well said my celtic brethren

 

:: Very nice.

Good post.

 

:Thumbs::love:

 

Are we seriously at a point where we are manufacturing a reason for Solis sub par efforts? He intentionally looked like shit in a fight so that he could get a title shot?

Holy shit that's brilliant! I didn't know we were dealing with a Dr Doom-esque mastermind.

 

What I might buy is that he didn´t work hard in training and gained 30 pounds over the years, because he knew his knee was so messed up that he didn´t want to risk a serious injury, before his cashout fight. Would also explain why he couldn´t get rid of these chinny tall bums. Every explosive attack could have destroyed his knee.

Öner should have done a catscan on the rubberboat and thrown Solis overboard, when he saw the results. Swimming is good for a bum knee.

 

It's between that and the entire heavyweight division sucks.

Pick your poison.

 

Why not??

Look at the examples of Joe Calzaghe, Stevie Johnston etc. Fighters have shit fights all the time, fights which reflect a small percentage of their actual talent, for whatever reason.

 

Calzaghe and Johnston were champions.

Solis is a prospect/contender who has still achieved very little in the professional ring. His reputation is largely from what he accomplished as an amateur, at a much lighter weight than what he competes at professionally.

I think more of his talent than some on here, but if his career ended tomorrow, it would be with very little professional distinction.

 

Careful, you are making too much sense here.

 

He does? Champions are not just entitled to but are expected to turn in sub-par performances, whereas 16-0 or 17-0 greenhorns are supposed to look good all the time? Don't make me laugh. I sincerely doubt you were cutting Calzaghe any slack at the time mate.:boring::boring: