Jon Jones vs Fedor @ heavyweight in 2011

Nice finds new.

 

Of course it was.

And yes, I was hoping someone new would spank your ass this time. I was almost arrested for the whipping I gave you the last time you decided to speak. Then you vanished.

I honestly don't want to be responsible for running any posters off. You're smarmy, and crazy uninformed, but at least you post. I'd hate to scare you off for good.

 

Yep. But it turns out Filthy was only being sarcastic :wack: so it's all good.

 

Great photos. If you put a tape measure to Fedor I doubt he would clip the 6 foot mark.

But whats amazing is that Couture is listed as 6'1" usually and it doesn't seem like a 2 inch difference. And Tito's enormous head makes him look 6 inches taller.

Fedor hunches and something tells me he's probably lost a 1/2 or so as he's gotten older due to not standing as straight. I didn't realize it until looking at a bunch of pics.

 

Well, to put it to bed, Fedor probably goes anywhere from 5'11" to 6'1" depending on how straight he stands.

Doesn't really matter, the best guys he beat didn't tower over him by any means.

 

Yes it does matter. The point was he's smaller than most and beat the bigger guy everytime. You won't scare me off. I like you, I enjoy a challenge. Your right I made mistakes last time.

But this time seeing as how you've left nothing to prove a counter to my last post it's clear your ass is a little candied after being beaten like TLC by Godfather the other night.

Seriously it's cool.

 

I'm glad I could help you out with that Trip. I forget that somethings are outside of your capacity. I should have known making a statement that the man would have to go through a buffet line ten times to hit 245 would confuse you. Sorry I'll work on that.

Hey did you say I was being sarcastic while you were being sarcastic? That's pretty impressive. Almost as neato as your masturbatory icon.artie:

 

Dude, I listed 15 of Fedor's opponents that he out weighed when he fought them.

And to make matters worse for you, he didn't BEAT the bigger guy "everytime". He was easily beaten by two fighters that were bigger than him and actually beaten by one that was smaller than him if you count his first loss.

Again, I love Fedor. He's the greatest HW of All Time. But to call him one of the smallest HW's of All Time is just insane and doesn't hold up factually.

Fedor isn't even one of the 10 smallest fighters on HIS OWN resume so how can he possibly be one of the smallest of All Time?

I think Bob and Weave said Fedor was one of the smallest elite HW's of All Time. That is accurate in my opinion.

 

So funny coming from the guy that disappeared in a huff after being verbally beaten to a pulp by me and my minimal capacity.

Honestly, you're not even in the same ballpark dude. You do try hard though.

 

Vs Martin Lazarov – Virtually identical, hard to tell, no record.
Vs Levon Lagvilava – Significantly bigger.
Vs Hiroya Takada – Bigger, Takada was 5’11 215lb on a good night.
Vs Ricardo Arona – Obviously Bigger
Vs Tyuyoshi Kohsaka – Bigger again, Kohsaka similar to Takada.
Vs Mihail Apostolov – Virtually identical, Apostolov an inch taller, Fedor a few pounds heavier.
Vs Kerry Schall – Significantly smaller. Schall was very large.
Vs Renato Sobral – Another LHW a small one at that , bigger significantly.
Vs Ryushi Yanigisawa – Bigger, very slightly though.
Vs Lee Hasdell – Bigger, another LHW.
Vs Chris Haseman – Bigger, a very small LHW. Shorter than Fedor too which is rare.
Vs Semmy Schilt – Dwarfed
Vs Heath Herring – Dwarfed
Vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira – Smaller
Vs Egdiius Valavicus – Another LHW. Bigger. Oddly so as well. Valavicus was extremely thin, almost as if he weighed 205 in the ring that night.
Vs Kazuyuki Fujita – Smaller, although Fujita has a similar bodytype and was shorter.
Vs Yuji Nagata- Bigger, same height, 10lbs heavier.
Vs Gary Goodridge – Smaller
Vs Mark Coleman – Bigger, Coleman never had any business at HW.
Vs Naoya Ogawa – Smaller
Vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira – See above
Vs Antonio Rodrigo Nouguira – See above
Vs Tsuyoshi Kohsaka – See above
Vs Mirko Fillipovic – Bigger, don’t get the notion that he wasn’t. CC is a mere inch taller and was 225lb for that fight. Compared to 234 for Fedor.
Vs Zuluzihno – Dwarfed
Vs Mark Coleman – See above
Vs Mark Hunt – Smaller
Vs Matt Lindland – Giant
Vs Hong-Man Choi – Dwarfed
Vs Tim Sylvia – Dwarfed
Vs Brett Rogers – Dwarfed
Vs Fabricio Werdum – Smaller
Vs Antonio Silva – Smaller


Final tally.

15-17-2

So Fedor was smaller than about 50% of his competition.

/thread indeed. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

Dude, I already posted 15 guys basically from memory that Fedor was bigger than and it did no good. I pointed out that he was the bigger guy in half his WINS but it also did no good.

Nice list. It's good to see someone agrees that Fedor wasn't at a size disadvantage to Cro Cop. Again, it makes me doubt that people watched the fight because as it was broadcast, it was clear they were on basically even terms from a size perspective.

 

Hahaha you do give it your best pal. But sorry you've failed.

 

I know TLC was absent for a bit but let me try to catch you up. If I followed your stats which I definitely disagree with a few points. But either way take away your 17 that he was not bigger than. Take away the last two losses, the point was during his undefeated reign, and you're left with 15 guys bigger than him and his record for those 15? ........ Wait for it.....15-0. Size played no difference in any of his fights. You've only reinforced my point.

Now I'm still waiting for the brain trust to give me a top ten heavyweight today that's smaller than him?

 

Says the guy that hasn't responded to a fact-based post disproving his ridiculous claim.

I take back what I said, you are a funny dude. I don't mean 'stand-up comedian' funny. I mean 'retard picking his nose on the bus' funny.

 

Your point was that Fedor was one of the smallest HW's of all time. Again, he isn't even one of the smallest on his own resume.

And the top HW's of today are a bigger breed. That's just the way it is.

Honestly the TOP HW's during Fedor's prime were basically his size. Cro Cop, Nog, Couture were all smaller than today's best HW's.

I feel like a need to hire a tutor for you. Would that be OK?

 

Vs Kerry Schall – Significantly smaller. Schall was very large.
Vs Semmy Schilt – Dwarfed
Vs Heath Herring – Dwarfed
Vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira – Smaller
Vs Kazuyuki Fujita – Smaller, although Fujita has a similar bodytype and was shorter.
Vs Gary Goodridge – Smaller
Vs Naoya Ogawa – Smaller
Vs Antonio Rodrigo Nouguira – See above
Vs Zuluzihno – Dwarfed
Vs Mark Hunt – Smaller
Vs Hong-Man Choi – Dwarfed
Vs Tim Sylvia – Dwarfed
Vs Brett Rogers – Dwarfed

Gee, I wonder why.

Outside of Nog and Tim Sylvia we are talking about laughable competition level.

 

This thread is getting stupid.

 

TLC - at the time Herring was undefeated and an absolute monster. Fedor was unknown and smashed him. Its easy to discredit things 9 years after the fact..... ya had to be watching when it happened to understand the significance of the era

 

Not really. Hindsight can be a lot more effective in finding out a fighter's historical significance than during the time period.

A lot more so, actually. In fact, at one point Houston Aleeeexander was for REAL!

Not to mention that utter bum Rogers was somehow ranked in the top 10, disgustingly enough. I guess KOing a shot, chinny fighter and never having had done shit beforehand gets you ranked in the cesspool that is 265...::

Herring was never that good though, and he wasn't undefeated, he actually lost many times. And to not very good fighters at that.

He was a C+ fighter with good size and toughness. That's the extent of his legacy.

 

Same can be said about almost any fighters resume.

 

No, not really.

 

really? Just Fedors?

 

Alright since I got tired of the BS conjecture and because it literally is a waste of time doing anything else beyond this to help Educate our two lost boys on this discussion. I decided to get the facts and display them in pretty colors so my short bus friends can understand. So Enjoy.....

*Im using Sherdog's stats of 6' even though its likely not true as previously debated.
*This metric is based purely on facts no silly look how big he looks next to so and so.
*The stats listed are those at which the fighter was last listed at fight time.
*d is for draw= Same height or <5lbs diff.
*Fighters with no recorded stats are listed as NR
*Fighters in Yellow fight naturally at a weight class lower than HW
*Fighters in Green are past Pride or UFC HW Champions
*Randleman was HW Champ but is not a natural HW



Fighters to which Fedor was shorter= 19/30
Fighters to which Fedor was lighter= 17/30

HW Fighters to which Fedor was shorter= 18/24
HW Fighters to which Fedor was lighter= 17/24

Fedor is shorter than his opponent 63% of the time in all fights and lighter than his opponent 57% of the time.

Where it matters even more, against actual Heavyweight fighters Fedor is shorter 75% of the time and lighter 70% of the time

Obviously he is the smaller fighter in both categories for the majority of his fights and nearly 3 out or 4 times against a HW he was the smaller fighter!!!

To close where it counts against fellow Pride or UFC Heavyweight Champions he was smaller than every single one except Randleman in both categories and as previously stated Randleman is not a natural Heavyweight.

There has never been a top tier real HW fighter that was overall smaller than Fedor. Period.And no Cro Cop was an Open weight champ and hes 2 inches taller so dont go there mental midgets.

If this does not prove the point that Fedor is definitely on the smaller end of the real HW spectrum and also prove that he has the most success of any HW fighter his size, or more importantly any size (Which was the point of the original argument)....Than I need to move my business to the Underground because this place is a lost cause.

P.S. Im joking about the underground. If I have to go there ill take up badmitton commentating. Peace!

 

Damn! Nice analysis Filthy. So basically, Fedor is one of the smaller heavyweights. :truce:

 

Thanks New, for some reason I knew you would understand;) Lets see if the dummies can catch on!:rock1:

 

Houston Alexander was a one trick pony. Herring wasnt. I officially no longer give 2 shits about your input on this thread. You counter everything with smarmy replies 'no not really' half this stuff went down bwfore you knew how to spell your name. The evolution of the sport has been extremely fast. Youre never gonna get it.

 

Game. Set. Match. Filthy wins via statistical homicide. Trpl please stop before you lose your credibility entirely. STD try to argue the facts above. You know,,the spreadsheet with the pretty colors to assist you in your comprehension....

 

Dude, I'm not even going to discuss this with you. You don't even realize that the weights you listed for Fedor's opponents aren't what they weighed against him.

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And you say it's based on fact. No, it's not. Not even close. Unless of course you think Lindland actually weighed 185 when he fought Fedor or that Nog weighed in at 240 in all 3 of his fights with Fedor (By the way, they actually weighed the same for fight 1). And Babalu was actually 229.5 when he fought Fedor not the 193 you have listed. Hell, I think fatass Babalu could have helped you because I believe he was heavier than Fedor for that fight.

For the record, Lindland weighed in at 212, but that's just a fact so go ahead and dismiss it.

And Coleman didn't weigh close to 245 in either fight with Fedor. He weighed in at 224 in the first fight.

See, this is the problem when someone simply knows about fights from Sherdog or Wikipedia and never actually watched any of them. They end up having zero clue whether their spewing facts or fiction.

Holy shit, I didn't think it was possible but you just looked dumber than you did in the Bisping thread. ::

And I know you put a lot of work into it, but it's meaningless for so many reasons, but mainly because it's just not factual.

 

Thanks GG! I'm glad I didn't give up watching my DVR'ed survivor episode for nothing.

Trip I'll be awaiting the UPS man for my "Filthy owned me award"

I had a great joke about how you could get my address but I won't go there.:Chainsaw: