Jon Jones vs Fedor @ heavyweight in 2011

I always liked Heath Herring. He is actually a quality win on Fedor's resume. He was naturally bigger and wasn't a bad fighter.

But, he isn't on the same level as the top guys today. Brock showed us that.

 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I just destroyed his pretty spreadsheet by pointing out just a few of the many incorrect facts.

So my comprehension is pretty solid. The question is, will you fall prey to pretty colors or try basing your opinion on actual facts?

No matter how you slice it, spin it, or color it up, Fedor isn't even in the Top 10 smallest HW's on his own resume. That CANNOT be disputed.

Now you can say Coleman, Babalu, etc weren't real HW's but then you just destroy Fedor's resume.

Your choice.

 

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Hey Fucktard seriously. You don't understand economics, you're bad at math, your common sense sucks, and now we know you can't read.

It's right in the disclaimers ass clown. THESE STATS ARE THE STATS LISTED AT THE FIGHTERS LAST FIGHT. Not when Fedor fought them. The whole point here was reliable facts and you've failed once again miserably. Seriously like Glover said you have no credibility. I take it back it's not cool.

You're seriously fucking stupid.

 

C'mon man you know better than that. Brock was his 43'rd and last fight.

 

Well if that was the case, almost every HW in the game would have a destroyed resume as well.

 

Just like in the Bisping thread, when you act condescending like this and then get put in your place, you just look far more idiotic.

Please, please, please don't run away this time. I almost skipped responding because I didn't want to be the bad guy again. But you brought it on yourself....again.

 

No shit, and that fact alone fucks up your stats. Those weights are MEANINGLESS because they had nothing to do with their fights with Fedor.

For example, listing Coleman at 245 would make him a BIGGER HW than Fedor. The problem is he was smaller than Fedor when they fought.

The bottom line is all the work you did compiling the table is meaningless because the weights are irrelevant.

 

I agree. That's why you can't say they don't count because they weren't really HW's. When they fought Fedor, they were HW's... And they were smaller than him. Period.

 

Herring was nowhere near his best when he fought Lesnar. No question. But he was just months removed from beating Kongo and wasn't completely diminished. Brock just made him look far worse.

Fair enough?

 

I've got a simple question that will end this once and for all.

If Fedor fought Fedor, would he be one of the 10 smallest guys on his own resume?

The answer is NO. So how can he possibly be considered one of the smallest HW's of all time when he isn't even one of the smallest on his OWN resume.

Let's see if anyone addresses this simple question....

Waiting......

 

Uhhh.. Kongo was beaten by Carmelo Marrero just over a year before Herring did it. Beating Kongo means nothing.

 

Kongo had just beaten Cro Cop the fight right before Herring.

Kongo will always struggle against grapplers. Carmelo gave him a Greco-Roman schooling.

The point is that Herring wasn't nearly as shot as Brock made him look. That's all I'm saying.

 

Trpl,i have sat both cageside and ringside with Bob and Filthy at numerous events. They both train. For real. Weve all come up watching this stuff from the beginning. Filthy admitted he pulled his stats from sherdog hence, there would be room for error? Did you read that part? Im thinking youre not reading anything and trying to cling to a battle you cant win. You got him last time.....this time, not so much. These guys know their shit believe that. Just like most who post on forums arent casual fans. Everybody is intensely passionate about the sport or we wouldnt invest our time and thought. This whole thread gains momentum on page 2. After TLC blew his wad and failed, you jumped in and picked up where he left off and you havent done much better for yourself. Dude since i joined here youve benn world class. Last couple of days though youve really got me wondering

 

Jesus dude, you are making some stupid fucking arguments. Herring lost to Jake O'Brien and went the distance with Brad Imes just a year earlier than he fought Brock. And you say he wasn't shot??

He was as shot as Brock made him look. That is the reason why it was his last fight. Duh.

 

That's fair. But you do realize that he posted stats based on weights that were meaningless.... Right? And yes, I read his entire post and that's why felt the need to point out the errors with his calculations.

And I've clearly made my point and it can't be disputed. Fedor fought almost half his fights against smaller guys. Therefore he can't be considered "one of the smallest HW's"

It's not even a debate. It's just fact.

And again, just answer my question... Would Fedor be one of the 10 smallest guys on his own resume?

 

Herring looked like shit in his last few fights. The loss against Brock helped him realize he cant hang anymore. It would be foolish to say he wasn't shot.

 

Lol this is the lengthiest circle jerk in history. Back to the original topic........bones beats fedor no question.

 

I didn't think you or Filthy would try to answer the question.

 

Yep, I agree. I even said he was shot myself. But I also think he wouldn't have looked near as shot had he fought a Gonzaga, Cro Cop or Mir. Lesnar's size and style made him look far worse.

Again, that's been my very simple point on the topic.

And keep in mind, Herring isn't done fighting. He was in talks with Bellator just a week or so ago. Unfortunately he will fight again.

 

And yes at one time Herring was the goods. Many many many years ago. Around PRIDE 9 or 11 as Mark Kerr was fading out, herring was coming up. Big. Thats 10 years ago. UFC never cut him. He walked away under contract (on good terms with zuffa) still has 2 fights remaining and will prob never fight again. The new breed of HW is miles beyond Herring' s abikities. Thats why i try to tell TLC that Herring's relevance pertained to a specific era. Holding him to todays standards would be like Phil Simms trying to QB again. The game has passed him up. Period

 

Read the numbers again. 31 different fighters on his resume. Of those There are 7 who are outright smaller than him. Two categories height and weight. Need the chart again?

Even if two out of the three of Lazarov, Lagvilava, and Apostolov were both shorter and lighter he'd still be in the top 10 of his resume. Jesus man you really do suck at math. And as far as history goes why arent you recognizing that probably half of the fights he had in rings were open weight??? Once again you carry a big stick but are left limp on prom night:Hanzkiller::Hanzkiller:

Ive been a fan of Mark Coleman since he wrestled at OSU. Even if he came in at 224 and Fedor was 20 pounds heavier then, Coleman is flat out bigger. Hes a wrestler whos always had low body fat. Fedor likes dumplings and has never cut weight for shit. Ive stood next to both of them, youre flat out wrong.

Seriously buddy you cant even win your own points no matter how desperate and meaningless to the discussion they are. Its getting pathetic and boring. Work harder, read better, practice math but either way.......................................


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And with that goodnight Captain Massengill.

Thats another word for douche bag, douche bag.:finger:

 

Most of those stats aren't accurate.

You can't take Coleman's heaviest weight and say he's bigger than Fedor.

There's video of it and Coleman weighed 225 in those fights.

Furthermore, there's also video of the fights Sherdog doesn't have weight for, and they were also smaller.


So basically, I place a factual list of fighters actual sizes during the time they fought Fedor, using video as evidence, and FilthyRua takes a fancy excel sheet and uses random sherdog weights to "own everyone"...

Right.

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Smarmy?

You got called out on your bullshit and now your pissy about it.

Make factual claims before you criticize others.

 

Also, Mark Coleman's last fight was at 205, so even that logic makes no fucking sense. :notallthere:

 

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Herring also lost to Vitor Belfort, some nobody, Travis Fulton and Bobby Hoffman...was he shot then too?

No, he just sucks.

He's a mediocre fighter on par with the Chris Lytles of the world.

 

Yeah smarmy. Arrogant. Cocky. You know traits that only you and OJ Simpson share in common. You get owned night and day around here. And NEVER concede a logical point whe its placed at your feet yet by somebody else. What factual anything are you talking about? Heres a couple:

when you were still in diapers, heath herring was overseas running thru opponents. This was a long time ago so dont bring up UFC shit. Thats a FACT you twit

FACT: Youre a smarmy little kid that got banned and came back to the site acting like a little punk.

Theres your facts.

 

GF if you start the Bones vs Fedor End Thread Warwagon., i would like to sit shotgun!

I said on page 1 of this thread that mythical matchup discussion are stupid. It always turns into this. Every freakin time. People are most delusional in arguments of theae types.