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Fedor is done. This is old news. He has lost the ambition and his age has caught up with him. It was fun while it lasted.
What do you think about Rogan saying Fedor should be at 205? Funny no one was talking about Fedor's gut when he was bitch slapping dudes.
Shit if he was doing that at HW, imagine what he would have done at LHW. Rogan does have a point. Fedor in '02-05 when he was much stronger and muscular was extremely explosive and powerful. He has lost a lot of that since his decline.
Most of what Rogan said was basically true but i disagree about Fedor and his 'fatness'. He's at the stage in career where age and wear and tear (and increasingly better fighters) are the issue, not his weight. A boxing equivalent would be Larry Holmes. He dominated opponents because he was great at what he did. His physique didn't necessarily translate into a lack of commitment like they did with somebody like James Toney. Same thing with Fedor. He's just a guy that was never meant to be "sculpted".
Agreed. I'm not a fitness expert, let alone in what it takes to be involved in MMA. If there are issues in his fitness that is affecting his fighting that's one thing. He's not however going to be more effective as a fighter purely because he weighs less on a scale.
that marvin hagler comparison was terrible. hagler isn't some guy from the beginning of the sport ala john l sullivan or even a benny leonard type. he's a bonafide hall of famer and one of the greatest if not the best middleweight of all time. chris condit would bash that black grandpa royce gracie subbed or any shitty fighters from ufc 1 because they were just people gathered from neighborhood gyms. ufc was not a sanctioned nor governed sport during its beginning stages. as for fedor, the guy's been doing judo and sambo (and successfully so) in addition to 30 some fights he's had as an mma fighter. he was well ahead of his time and it's not like his game is behind any heavyweight today. how about brock lesnar and shane carwin? how are these guys so evolved if they're in the same age group as fedor? i like joe rogan and always have, but he's a company man first and does a good job of promoting ufc and its fighters like he's supposed to.
I really think it would be very difficult for Fedor to hit 205. Especially at 35. Even when he was younger and training like a madman and was one of the most well conditioned fighters in the sport, he was on the pudgy side.
Fedor will not drop to 205 no way no how. This is the guy who basically retired after Big Foot kicked his ass and M-1 Global dragged him back into it. He has no desire anymore. Combine lack of desire with the fact that he's super famous and super rich and you tell me if he will kill himself to shed 30 pounds.
He was the fattest I can ever recall in the Big Foot fight. He's always been a bit soft, but he is getting softer for sure. I just don't think his heart is in it anymore. That and giant well rounded fighters such as Big Foot would have always given him trouble. He ain't no Hong Man Choi.
Definitely. He was never ripped in Pride, but looked a lot more solid there than he has in his last few fights.
even though cain velazquez would destroy fedor at this point, he's still not the complete 'evolved' fighter that fedor once was. jon jones does it all. he can punch, kick, wrestle, execute judo trips, submit and all that. velasquez is a wrestler but a great athlete who learned how to box. fedor in his prime could hit, kick, fight off his back, and do multitude of things that heavyweights today can only dream to do.
And Fedor was doing those things against smaller fighters OR one dimensional fighters. That was Rogan's point. The competition isn't as poor as it was in Fedor's prime. And this debate has been done to death and I really don't want to bring it back up. But remember, Fedor never stopped the takedowns or escaped from the bottom of a 240+ lbs former Division 1 Wrestler. The sport have evolved and the HW Division is now occupied by a bunch of guys that would give even a prime Fedor all he wanted.
And now, who are the great big fighters embracine the hw divison ??? Lesnar, who's the definition of one dimensionnal and is scared to get hit, Carwin who can't even fight 1 full round before gassing, Velasquez who's really well rounded but reall small. The only 3 big hw who seems to be well rounded are Overeem, JDS and BigFoot Silva, and all 3 are unproven in a way or another
We'll see how well he handles Lesnar but JDS is pretty legit IMO. I think he is the clear #2 after Velasquez.
I don't think I have ever heard Cain called small. I wouldn't call him a "big" HW, but small?? 6'2" 245lbs isn't really small IMO. Dos Santos is a bit taller but weighs the same. Everything else I completely agree with Azazael
I am too, JDS doesn't have the take down defense nor the wrestling to get back up. JDS will try to trade with him and Brock will take him down immediately. JDS's best chance is to catch him in a sub. I just don't see it happening.
Damn, I'm surprised. I think JDS is just a much better fighter, I can just imagine him winning however, with better striking, and just better overall skills and BJJ. But you're right, I guess one of the reasons Cain was able to crush Lesnar like that is he's actually a VERY good wrestler himself, he was the first guy Lesnar fought that he couldn't just dominate with wrestling. Cain basically gave as good as he got, then proceded to beat the shit out of Lesnar with his overall superior talent and versatility. I really hope JDS does win.
Simple, I don't think JDS can stop Brock from taking him down and I think he'll get pounded out with Brock on top of him.
The only two guys to give Lesnar any trouble were really good wrestlers. Carwin and Cain. Both were able to either stuff the TD's or get back up. Carwin just didn't have the gas tank to finish the job. I just don't see JDS being able to do that. Look how fast Lesnar had Cain down. Cain obviously popped right back up, but I don't think JDS will.
Dos Santos hasn't shown much of his ground game during his run in the UFC, so I'm not sure if betting on him to shut Lesnar down on the ground is a good idea. I also question Junior's gas tank. He seemed pretty tired after his fight with Nelson, which wasn't a very physical fight.
