Underrated movies

The only movie on that list that rivals Crimson Tide is Braveheart. As great as Se7en and Usual Suspects were...they're still a little behind The Tide.


The rest mentioned vs Crimson Tide? Please.

 

Crimson Tide is EASILY a better movie than The Usual Suspects(which is overrated, save for the ending), Dead Presidents, and Apollo 13.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Apollo 13 came out in 96.

 

Rocky 5 - I think this film gets vilified way more than it deserves. I don't understand why it got criticized so badly. Sometimes I think I'm the only guy in the world who liked it.

Always Out Numbered - A very good movie that starred Lawrence Fishburn. Really enjoyed this one.

Oscar - Always liked this Sylvester Stallone film even though it got canned.

Wyatt Earp - I think this outstanding take on the Earps & OK Corral shooting gets too often overlooked by the more popular Tombstone flick.

 

You must be.

The plot has huge basic holes: Rocky has all his money cheated, yet police can't do shit for it. Rocky won't collect the money doing a couple of commercials, since "he is no actor" even though he does a shitload of them in Rocky III. He won't even fight harmless exhibitions to get the money because "it's dangerous" (really?). So, he rather sells all his stuff and moves to a crappy flat.

The rest of the movie shows the earlier so likeable Rocky become a total asshole and forget his family for no reason. Yet, when he gets cheated of his money again, he regrets and turns good again and everything is forgotten in a minute.

Add the "message" about corrupt boxing, bad acting, more unreasonable twists and a sadistic, prolonged, stupid fight scene, and yes, there is a movie that nobody can like

 

Word..not to mention the matter of Tommy Gunn rising from ABSOLUTE OBSCURITY to being the undisputed heavyweight champion in just a matter of months! ::

Perhaps THE most disappointing film of all time.

 

War Of The Roses.

 

I thought Clockers was pretty solid.

I have never read the book to see if/how the movie does it justice, but I liked the movie.

One of the better Spike Lee joints IMO.

Delroy Lindo and Isiah Washington were good in it. I like Lindo a lot in this and Malcolm X.

 

word. (assuming you mean Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner)

Love that film long time! :bears:

 

I guess I'm in the minority... as much as I liked Crimson Tide (and I watch it virtually every time I notice it's on cable), I thought Devil In A Blue Dress was slightly better. Was a heck of a year for Denzel Washington, though he hardly received any credit at all, really for either film but especially the latter

 

Apollo 13 was actually 1995. I remember it because there were talks of Tom Hanks three-peating for Best Actor, only for him to not receive a nomination for the film.

That said, I agree that Crimson Tide was better. I didn't care much for Apollo 13. Didn't hate it, but wasn't the least bit memorable to me, either.

And yes, VERY good call on Clockers :: ... Middle-aged white guys get uptight because Spike monkeyed with the book version, shifting the movie's focus from the burnt-out cop to the drug dealer. He only did so after Robert DeNiro dropped out (he was supposed to play the part that eventually went to Harvey Keitel). I thought the movie was brilliantly acted by its main and chief supporting players. Parts of it even resemble The Wire, before The Wire.

Honestly, I don't think there was a bad scene in the entire movie.

 

Yes, Isiah Washington was great in this. I thought he was going to blow up as an actor, but he never really went anywhere.

Clockers was a great movie. Never understood the flack it got myself.

 

Delroy and Isiah were also together in Romeo Must Die which I found rather entertaining (but don't classify it as an underrated movie though).

 

haha, i watched that movie in my interpersonal communications class while in college. it was pretty good.

 

Mrs Rose would GET IT!!!!!!! :hump:

 

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By far the weakest movie on that list.

 

Was that the one with Jet Li and Aaliyah?

 

^ yes.

 

Okay all the stuff you mentioned was pretty much explained in the movie. If you sign your money over to your accountant and he blows it at the track, pretty much all the law can do is sue the guy, but then if he blew it all at the track you're pretty much fucked anyway.

Don't recall anything about him refusing to do commercials. Pretty sure that didn't happen, and even if it did you don't make up millions of dollars off of commercials, some famous athletes can these days but I don't think Rocky was being portrayed in that type of day and age where a guy made millions doing commercials. It was supposed to be before that time.

I also don't see how fighting harmless exhibitions is supposed to make up millions of dollars either. Were they going to put it on PPV? Another thing I'm pretty sure never came up in the film and with good reason.

Rich people who go broke don't have auctions for all their crap? This stuff happens. What else was he supposed to do. Pro boxers go broke all the time, they just needed a way for Rocky to do it immediately rather than over time.

The guy becoming champion in a few months was a good one. I never even noticed that til you brought it up. My only argument to that one is to say there was no real evidence it happened in only a few months. They may never have said it was a few years but you can't just assume because of that that it was only a few months.

When I saw Rocky 5 I saw a good film where a once proud and rich famous boxer went broke returned to his beginnings and had to try and humble himself. He found a project and a chance to get some respectability and by doing so he became a bit neglectful of his family. That issue was addressed which is called a drama moment and I thought it fit well into what was an entertaining story, yet you felt it was a negative. I liked the way the villainous promoter turned everything against Rocky which culminated in a rather entertaining fight where Rocky stuck up for his brother in law. So I guess if you're going to nitpick the film to death then yeah, nobody will like it, but I saw it at the theaters and even then I liked it. So I was pretty shocked to find out how so many people hated it, when I thought it fit right in with the franchise. I thought it sucked Rocky lost everything too, but just because I disagree what direction a franchise chooses to go doesn't mean I can say the movie sucks based on that.

 

I read the book. Found it at a free give away and decided to check out how it matched up with the film. It was a little different as most book to films are but it was an interesting read. The guy wrote in a very entertaining way and I found even the boring parts weren't so...boring.

 

you are an idiot

 

What about Sneakers?

 

I do. A very fun film. The Game is another under-rated Douglas movie.

 

He's a good actor, but seems to only be known as that Grey's Anatomy guy who hates fags.

I like his line in Out of Sight about his dog.

"I gave her what all bitches want....a bone"

 

Adrian suggests him to do the commercials when they here about the situation early in the movie and that is the reason Rocky gives. He wouldn't have to make millions: even with some money he would live better than now. Also Rocky himself suggests he fights but Adrian refuses: with Rocky's market value he would have made some even with exhibitions. Also you'd think he would have at least some rich friends (such as Duke, Apollo's family etc.) to help him out so that he wouldn't have to dress to exact same clothes he used decades earlier. Also it seems that RRocky's personality has changed completely in this movie (could be the brain damage of course)

So that is why I think the basis of the movie is hollow, if it is meant to be a serious film. The biggest problem however is that the acting is so-so (again, for a serious movie) and the drama you mentioned is not really interesting. Rocky is not likeable in this movie and neither is his son, which is why there is no tension(?) between protagonist and antagonist

 

You're being too nice actually.

Bottomline: the movie was shit!!!! Utter unadulterrated shit. You don't follow a dramatic blockbuster like Rocky IV, where Balboa was on top of the world, with a story about a brain damaged, poverty striken guy with no fame and no friends and end the film with a silly street fight with a guy that rose from Obscurity to the title in a matter of a few months.

And for anyone that wants to question whether it was a few months...consider the paralell story of Rocky Jnr and what he was dealing with at the same time and you'll realize that the timespan was indeed very small.

SHIT SHIT SHIT film!!!

 

STILL, don't let it stop you from watching Rocky Balboa. You are missing out.

 

Harold & Maude

 

65 yr old Rocky Balboa against Antonio Tarver?!!!??!!!

No thanks....

 

Your loss.:doh:

 

Watching that, for me, is being complicit in the sin of Stallone trying to sell a 65 yr old former champion making a comeback. :doh: