I've been in Martial Arts since i was 5. Im a blackbelt in Judo & A modified version of Kempo called Amer Asia Do. I am aslo ranked in BJJ and have studied Wing Chung for 10 years, although we didnt rank by belts or sashes there.
Yeah but its more tradition other than anything. they allow knees and kicks to the head, but say no to hands, because it could cause injury ::. That doesnt change the fact they teach head strikes.
Diaz vs Penn would be one hell of a good fight. Now THAT is a fight I would LOVE to see. Diaz would force Penn to work like never before.
As stated on the wikipedia page, Kyokushin allows no punches to the face (DQable I think). So no, you can't really classify it as full contact IMO, nor does it have much bearing on success in MMA. I mean really, how successful would a pure Karate or TKD based offense be in MMA? A pure battle of kicks :: So no, GF is wrong, they don't teach a fucking jab in Karate or Kung Fu. I've sparred a competition level Kung Fu guy (a friend) and in one day I taught him how to punch better than he had learned in years. He was throwing these weird little arm punches, with awkward footwork and balance, no concept of positioning or punching through the target, or generating any real leverage, or punch variety etc. I've also sparred several MA guys who fancied their chances at boxing. They are absolutely useless at punching. :: at the idea of Karate guys being able to jab. They don't throw or land punches to the head, so how are they going to have a clue about jabbing? There's a reason why MMA striking is all about boxing and MT these days. The average MT Vs Karate fight would look just like Shogun Vs Machida 2.
You'd only be able to get the better of me with Judo or BJJ. Standup you'd stand no chance. Wing Chung is a joke. Like I said, I actually joined a Wing Chun gym out of curiosity, and the instructor himself would not spar me, even though I asked him 3 or 4 times, and said it would just be a friendly spar. After I did some padwork with him, he basically admitted he didn't fancy it. Same thing with Karate and TKD. They are not combat sports. The level of striking can't even begin to compare with proper combat sports. There is a reason everyone in MMA learns boxing and MT, not Karate and WC. Here is a WC fight between 2 masters :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdF1nIAfpk&playnext=1&list=PL7B494EB0AD75810B
Just so you know, I practice the art of "Whoop ass" and I am a 5th degree black belt. I awarded it to myself. I'd whoop you both at the same time. It would look like LOK vs Watermelon.
I took karate for about 2 years in the 70's when I was 10-12 years old. I thought it was the shit. I learned to kiai with the best of them. But then my buddy told me about his Taekwondo class where they basically did full on kickboxing sparring. That sounded way more man-style. So I did that for a little while until Middle School football started, and then I gave it up. Later I put it all to good use while working as a bouncer in a Houston strip club.
What you dont understand is that is that there are many different styles of Karate. Look at it this way. Just yesterday you were under the impression Karate wasnt a combat sport, Today you think they dont teach a jab in Karate (Kempo Karate teaches a Jab). Imagine what you will learn tomorrow.
Do they exclusively jab to the body, because of the no headshots rule? What I do know is that coming from a MA background, I got clowned the first time I stepped into a boxing ring, and since learning to box I've clowned every martial artist I've trained with. Again, martial arts like Karate and Wing Chun aren't combat sports, and they are not effective in competitive fighting. They have no clue how to punch, how to land punches, or how to block punches, or how to take a punch. None at all. Even if competitions allow kicks, it's still worlds apart from the land of MMA. I actually got to red belt in TKD (one away from black IIRC), and I don't consider it taught me to fight ONE BIT. Literally. I had no concept of actual fighting. Just doing silly scripted moves and tap sparring. It taught me to be kind of supple, and how to kick high, and that's basically it. I can still kick high even now, despite not training in a MA since adulthood.
Do they exclusively jab to the body, because of the no headshots rule? What I do know is that coming from a MA background, I got clowned the first time I stepped into a boxing ring, and since learning to box I've clowned every martial artist I've trained with. Again, martial arts like Karate and Wing Chun aren't combat sports, and they are not effective in competitive fighting. They have no clue how to punch, how to land punches, or how to block punches, or how to take a punch. None at all. Even if competitions allow kicks, it's still worlds apart from the land of MMA. I actually got to red belt in TKD (one away from black IIRC), and I don't consider it taught me to fight ONE BIT. Literally. I had no concept of actual fighting. Just doing silly scripted moves and tap sparring. It taught me to be kind of supple, and how to kick high, and that's basically it. I can still kick high even now, despite not training in a MA since adulthood.
My Style Amer Asia do teaches everything. From Boxing to BJJ. It does a little everything. its like a Multi Vitamin. Of course if you want more specific training which is what i got in BJJ and Judo, then you go to specific classes for that. But again, there are SO many different styles in Karate that you cant lump them all into one and say they dont know how to block and they arent combat styles. I can take you to some karate places that would clown your boxing. AND I HATE KARATE. But i respect some aspects of it. Especially those Karate styles that are willing to adapt.
What you're describing is basically MMA, which is a combat sport, not a martial art, and is really a discipline in itself. You would take me to karate places that would clown my boxing? No. Sorry but just no. If that was true, MMA fighters would be learning this awesome form of Karate, landing perfect jabs to the body, instead of all of them learning boxing and Muay Thai. I don't have anything against Martial Arts GF, afterall I started in MA myself, but traditional martial arts are just that, traditional, and I don't consider they really teach you how to fight. Machida is a guy that can fight and just happens to come from a Karate background. BJJ isn't a traditional martial art, as it was obviously developed more recently, after boxing actually. Basically, if you're not used to regularly taking punches in training, you're fucked. To some extent, even Brock is a proof of that, in his beatdown at the hands of Cain.
Many martial arts styles popped up in the 80s that are basically a mix of different Martial Arts. You know who first started doing it? Bruce Lee. While they Teach Jeet Kun Do now, its not really a particular style. Bruce Lee Developed Jeet Kun Do based on everything from western boxing to wrestling to many different styles combined into one. You are mixing up words. I never said that Kempo would clown your boxing. I said i could take you to Karate classes that can. I also never said Kempo taught a perfect jab to the body, i said they taught a jab. And its to the head. The classes i would take you too are not Kempo, they are different style that would nuetralize your boxing with kicks and takedowns. Again, Good martial arts evolve. No way that your boxing, would affect someone's kick in the class im talking about. A leg is longer than an arm. I have been in with guys that almost broke my knees (yes, they spar that hard) as i was trying to throw a punch. I had to incorporate other styles to beat them. My hands wasn't going to do it. Your knowledge of traditional martial arts is limited to what you have been exposed too. I have been exposed to more, as i have been taught and made it my duty to go to every different style of gym i can find and spar whenever i get the chance. While Karate is limited as an Art IMO, it also has surprised me the few times i have found a teacher and gym that has changed their style to fix their limitations. And while it doesn't fix them completely, it does make them significantly better. Think about that. Its been around since about 30s. Maybe longer. And its a style that has evolved from Japanese Jujitsu, which has been around much longer than boxing. This started over GSP, which is use to taking shots to the head from his Karate. Brock isnt use to taking not just punches, but shots. GSP's karate does allow kick and knees to the head in competition, and punches and strikes to the head in sparring. Much different than Brock Lesnar.
