Is Yuriorkis Gamboa BETTER than JuanMa Lopez???...

Does Last Nights Loss Tell Us ANYTHING about Gamboa-Lopez???....

Remember, Even After Being Dropped & DEDUCTED Half a Hundred Points, Gamboa STILL BEAT Salido Rather COMFORTABLY...Obviously, REED Would Still Rather SEE Gamboa vs. JuanMa, but Did Last Night SWAY or REINFORCE Any Opinions on Who's the BETTER of the 2???...



REEDopcorn:

 

Gamboa came within one smart decision on Salido's behalf of being DQ'd, and then people would be wondering if Gamboa had the composure to make it at the top.

I think its an old case of offense winning fans but defense winning games- JuanMa needs to lose the overdrive mentality, otherwise he gets lit up, sooner or later, against the elite guys.

I just always had the feeling about JuanMa that he could be hurt if he could be hit, and he is too hittable.

Gamboa, I sensed, could have made the Salido fight as easy or as hard as he wanted.

 

Gamboa is more skilled...but I still think Juanma knock him out....early.


If it goes round then Gamboa will be doing the knock out...Gamboa just keep coming and coming..swinging away...


I hate to keep repeating myself...but IF Juanma just fight a bit more defensively and uses a JAB he would be a much better fighter/boxer. RIGHT NOW he is lead left or lead right hook and is tooooo slow not to get hit every time with counter punches.

 

It only reinforced my opinion that Lopez is one of the most overrated fighters of recent years.

Gamboa thrashes him within 4 rounds.

ILLU - :: - if Lopez wasn't Puerto Rican you wouldn't be picking him over Gamboa.

He's not even in the same league as Gamboa, he'll get a 1 sided beating.

And REED, to be honest LONG before tonight there was no doubt at all who was the better of the 2. Gamboa looks like an improving, borderline elite fighter, Lopez looks like an average world class fighter.

 

Gamboa is a KOreel waiting to happen...

 

No he isn't. He gets knocked down but pops round back up, his chin seems average at worst.

Gamboa pretty much destroys Lopez, just a much better fighter.

 

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REED's Sort've in the MIDDLE of You 2, on Gamboa...Gamboa's Been Dropped an AWFUL LOT Already...So It's NOT Hard for REED to Envision Gamboa Being KO'ed, Sooner Rather than Later...His Defense SUCKS, Primarily Due to his SWAGGER/Competitive ARROGANCE (which REED Likes in Fighters, to B Honest), but even GENERALLY Speaking, he's Somewhat EASY to Hit...It's just that Guys HAVEN'T Been Able to Withstand HIS Power Enough to BEAT him, as of Yet....

Gamboa's the Type of Guy that's Gonna HAVE to Get KO'ed Before he Actually Starts to Consider HEAD MOVEMENT &/or Keeping his Hands UP More...




REED:hammert:

 

Then...it seems.....JuanMa is a poor mans Gamboa.... :dunno:

 

It's Probably Safe to Say that Gamboa is BETTER Overall...More NATURALLY Talented, Better AMMY Pedigree...JuanMa's Good, but there's NATHAN Terribly "Special" about Him (Aside from POSSIBLY his Power), Whereas Gamboa's Abilities JUMP OUT @ U...

But Having Said That, JuanMa would B a VERY LIVE Underdog, Head to Head...& it Wouldn't Surprise REED in the Least if JuanMa TOOK Gamboa's "0", via KO, No Less....



REED:hammert:

 

Hmmmm lets see..... Gamboa is 50x faster, more powerful, more skilled, better defensively, higher ring IQ.... I'd say the answer is yes.

 

Maybe that was a Brewster moment for JuanMa, who knows, maybe he goes back to basics and starts winning and getting his confidence back?

 

JuanMa's power is faaarrr from "special". He's not a one punch KO artist by any means. He has more like Cotto power.... only not he's not nearly as skilled/talented as Cotto.

 

So U'd Bet the Farm on Gamboa OVER JuanMa???....



REED:dunno:

 

You're PROBABLY Right, but it's Still Somewhat PREMATURE in REED's Opinion, to Categorically DEFINE JuanMa's Power, 1 Way or the Other....



REED

 

Given Gamboa's chin, I wouldnt beat the farm..... but put it this way, it'd be Gamboa's fight to LOSE.

The ONLY way JuanMa pulls the upset is if Gamboa gets too reckless after hurting JuanMa, and walks into something big.

If he fights under control, the differance in speed is just too great. Its VERY possible that JuanMa gets overwhelmed, and stopped within 4-5.

 

At even odds absolutely. Gamboa would be a decent fav after last night though. Juanma is just a defensively shitty fighter and would get lit up.

 

If he fights offensive........I don't think he is a Victor Ortiz who MUST keep attacking in order to get the job done. I think he can cog down a gear or too, tighten up and rack up rounds.

 

Irish, to be perfectly honest.... JuanMa isnt as talented as Ortiz. And Gamboa is CONSIDERABLY more talented than Berto.

 

JuanMa isn't outboxing Gamboa, no chance.

 

Its not a question of talent its a question of mentality. Ortiz is impetuous, there is no reason why JuanMa has to be. He has a fucking jab, just use it.

Part of the problem here is attitude. All of these guys have this self-imposed onus to be pfp-exciting kick-ass-motherfucker-of-the-year. They are all terrified of building a lead on the cards and breaking the opponent down and or negotiating the distance.

Its an art and its being forgotten. There is no need to KO everyone and its not going to happen all of the time anyways.

Its called boxing.

 

He doesn't have to. He just boxes long enough for Gamboa to make a mistake, one of these many mistakes people say he keeps making. Then he drops the hammer.

There is no mystery to this. Drop a few rounds, keep your powder dry, keep it safe and simple, wait for openings.

 

Jab or no jab, JuanMa is just too open to be hit. And Gamboa is too fast, accurate, and powerful.

Last night, we all knew Ortiz had the talent to beat Berto, we just doubted his balls.

JuanMa has balls for days, but it wont matter. He's too slow, and available for anything to work vs Gamboa.

 

I am not saying it can be done, I am just outlining how I would go about it if I were coaching him. If JuanMa runs, knowing Gamboa he will try to end it, he has that malevolence about him, he is a genuinely "mean" fighter, and thats where he makes a mistake.

 

I've had Gamboa winning this fight from jump, and no point ever believed that Arum was genuinely interested in making it happen.

I'm not sure that last night reinforces it. Salido fights nothing like Gamboa, but obviously JuanMa is now 0-2 in comparative performances, as he also struggled mightilty with Mtagwa who got lit up by Gamboa three months later. But I never had any doubt that Gamboa would slaughter JuanMa if/when they ever fight, and certainly don't feel any less confident right now.

 

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Can a Mod Please EDIT this Thread, Converting it into a POLL w/"Yes, No, Still Undecided" VOTING Options, Por Favor????....




REED:kidcool:

 

Done, and i voted Gamboa. I've been the same as MWS on this for since the topic has been discussed. Even if Lopez would have defeated Salido it wouldn't have changed my mind. Obviously the result has to "reinforce" anybody who thought so previously.

Sure head to head Lopez has a chance. Gamboa has got clipped and dropped and Juan Ma is a harder hitter than the guys who've done it.

However that doesn't tell the whole story. Gamboa's ass has hit the canvas but he's never looked hurt. A lot of the time he was off balance and even when hit solidly he's absorbed the shots well. We've seen Lopez on queer street a few times already.

Gamboa is the more talented of the two and has performed much better against the same opponents.

Other than just pointing to some defensive lapses and the chance Juanma could land something big i don't see how anybody could think Lopez is better.

 

Same here. You're right, saying yesterday reinforces my opinion is not entirely correct, because I was 99% sure Gamboa would in anyway.

Lopez is slow, basic with no defense. He is actually an overachiever, I guess he has just enough talent to go with his balls and decent power to get as far as he has.

IF they do fight, it'll be clear they are 2 different classes of fighter.

So yes REED, it's a bet the house on Gamboa type of fight, because Lopez's only chance is a 1 punch KO.

And that is very unlikely. People are getting their knickers in a twist over Gamboa's chin, but there is nothing wrong with it. He gets flash knockdowns from being overzealous and off balance.

He took Salido's shots fine, Lopez didn't. Lopez almost got taken out by Mtagwa FFS.

Gamboa has a better chin and more power, all Lopez has is balls.

 

Oh fine, quote Jake's post and ignore mine.

:Wah:

 

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I only saw your post after I quoted Jake's already, I promise :kidcool:

I think we see it exactly the same way. This is actually a pretty strange thread, because as you say, I don't see how anybody could think Lopez is better.

To me it's almost like asking who's better, Pacquiao or Berto.