Fights in which the loser would've won had he not, "run out of time...."

Believe me. The intent of the topic is not to discredit or trivialize the wins of various fighters. And likewise it's not to discount the losses of others.

Having said that, I still think it a productive discussion to have regarding the significance and implications of instances in which the loser of a fight had begun coming on in the latter portions of the fight, to the extent that all indications were that had there been added as little as 30 seconds to the time-clock, that the outcome of the fight would've changed.

A couple of obvious examples are:

Andrade/Bute I
Juarez/John I
Funeka/Guzman I

 

Jirov-Mesi ?

I only saw the fight once and recall Jirov having a big last round but i don't recall if having more time on the clock would have sealed it for him.

 

I hate this type of speculations, even if you don't have an agenda behind it. It is based on the same logic as 'he is not a 15 round fighter', which leads to the wrong conclusion that the fighter couldn't fight for 15 rounds if he trained for them. If the fight was scheduled to be 12 rounds and half a minute, then perhaps the fighter in question would have fought the last round in different way and everything could be different

 

Agree with UGTBK's frustration and the point he's making.

That said...

Leonard-Hearns 2

Give Ray one more round and Hearns was TOAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Messi would have literally died in the ring that night had the fight been any longer.

 

Not to shit on the thread but i agree with the 12 round vs 15 round fights. Obviously it takes more stamina to go 15 rounds but fighters trained and more importantly fought accordingly. There used to be 50 round fights. You don't hear anybody saying something like "Ali UD 15 Sullivan, but if it were a 40 round fight ..."

 

spinks vs. judah I

 

Can think of several where if they were 15-round fights, the outcome would've been different.

Then there are fights like Spinks-Judah I, where the argument is that had Zab begun four rounds earlier, there never would've been a need for a rematch.

Not sure if either of those scenarios fits the criteria...

And as I type of all of this, Whiskey and joony already address both . Grrr....

 

Khan vs Maidana, obviously.

 

Rocky Juarez in all his fights where he followed his opponents around for 11 rounds and then started letting his hands go in the 12th

 

Something tells me if a fight was scheduled for only 3 rounds Rocky would still give away the first two.

 

As great as old man Morales performed against Maidana, I think Chino would have gotten him out in a few more rounds.

 

This topic isn't about 12 vs. 15. I get why such a discussion is absurd. Rather, it's about fights that could've been decided differently, given 30, 20, even 10 additional seconds - incremental to the 10, 12 or 15 rounds alotted.

And again, the aim isn't to trivialize wins, or understate the significance of losses.

Rather, it's to investiagate the conditions under which such fights occur, what it's meant for rematches in the case that such fights were redone, and what it says about the failures both strategically and tactically for both the winners and losers.

 

Ray Robinson/Henry Armstrong

 

oops.. wrong thread

 

my first thought.
fortunately we got to see the extension of that fight in the re. spinks fought scared and still got ko'd