Pacquiao vs Cintron next?

Are you denying he has a featherweight frame and/or is a natural featherweight?

By the time Duran fought Hagler, could he have made lightweight? Of course he fucking couldn't, but he was still a natural lightweight, with a blown up lightweight frame.

Same story with countless fighters. They end up bulking up or having difficulty making the weight with age etc, and fighting above their natural weight class.

Pacquiao has undeniably filled out to 140/147 very well (better than someone like Marquez is capable of), but that doesn'y detract from the fact the man has the frame of a featherweight, and the 122-130 range is really his natural weight class.

Can Barrera still make 122? Of course he can't, but he's still a natural super bantamweight.

 

I disagree, he's become somewhat underrated these days.

His style turned UGLY after beating Tszyu and that's the reason you don't like him, the holding etc.

The fact is, the boy could fight, but just sucked at welterweight.

He's also only lost to the two best fighters of the most recent decade, not bad for a guy that "was never any good".

I'm not even a Hatton fan to be honest, but the guy is getting underrated these days.

 

Good point.

Let me guess, he's taking some kind of female hormone that increases hair growth and combats baldness, to counter the side effects of all the EPO and HGH he's taking.

 

Wait, are you trying to imply that Floyds win at 147 over Baldomir is bigger than Pacs wins against Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito?

Who is the other lineal champ that he beat? Judah?

You are seriously grasping for straws.

 

I sure as fuck am.

A. He can no longer fight at Featherwieght, not even close.

B. When you age, you get bigger. Manny is not 22 years old no more.

C. When Manny was at 108 at the age of 16, he was 4'11.

D. He can no longer fight at Featherweight.

E. He can no longer fight at Lightweight.

F. See A

G. See D

Until he atleast can show me that he's even capable of fighting at lightweight, shut the fuck up abou how small he was. Pernell was the SAME size, maybe even a little shorter, nobody gets on his nuts about how he's a "natural featherwieght."

By the way, Cotto vs Prime Mosely is not "even money." That's the stupidest shit I've heard since some moron believed that a Hispanic person was supposed to be "brown."


H. See F.

 

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Hey Textard, what size frame do you think Barrera has, and what would you say his natural weight is?

 

What is this "Frame" shit? Are you trying to say big boned? Seriously, "frame" wtf is that? Pac isn't a fucking bike or something bordering a painting.

Again, how in the hell do I know what size "frame" Barrera is when I don't know what the fuck your talking about.

When you try to use the term frame to evaluate a person's size, you are basically using the most unscientific route to do so, because there isn't a standard measure of frame. I can say Manny has a HUGE frame, how are you going to argue that?

A fighter's "natural weight" changes throughout their career because the human body changes with age.

There is not doubt in my mind that Manny is a natural welterweight right now. Is he a small welterweight? Yes. But he sure the fuck isn't anyfucking thing associated with "featherweights" anymore.

 

Jesus christ you're stupid.

I'm not sure I've ever met anyone that doesn't know what frame means. You take stupidity to a whole new level, the qwerty level.

 

Wow. What a comeback. So much info.

Next time I go to the Dr. I will ask him not to put me on the scale, I will just tell him just to write down my "frame."::

 

A 15 or 16 yr old fighter who was 4'11 and weighed 108 that grew to 5'6 and is now 32 yrs old could most definitely fight at welterweight with no problem.

I'm not going to get put extra gold stars next to his wins cuz he was 4lbs 6oz as a one week old infant.

 

You're depressingly stupid.

According to you, Morales and Barrera are natural 140 pounders ::

 

No, testosterone->DHT conversion causes hair loss, and even then only if you are genetically predisposed to MPB. Testosterone and GH, especially in combination with one another, will otherwise both thicken hair.

Your understanding of biology is worse than your understanding of boxing.

EPO & GH don't cause baldness, you dullard fuck. You really should STFU when adults are talking.

 

You must've missed where I pointed out that my dislike of Pacquiao has nothing to do with Floyd, and that Floyd has issues as well (he's just not an out-and-out fraud, like Pacquiao).

Malignaggi was tailor-made for Hatton, especially the McGirt-trained version. Really, that's what you're going to impress me with, that he stopped a guy who had 0 power and stood in front of him the whole time instead of using his primary strength (his legs)?

There are varying degrees of "shot." Ricky Hatton wasn't Roy Jones Jr shot, that doesn't mean he was the same fighter. His chin had been cracked, recall that the ghost of Juan Lazcano rocked Hatton badly. Without the pathetic hometown refereeing, Hatton may very well have been stopped.. so fighting the feather-fisted Malignaggi was a good move on the part of Hatton. It allows retard fanboys like you to try to argue that he was still even remotely the same fighter, not that he wasn't shit to begin with.

The difference between you and I is that tomorrow if Floyd pulled some shit like Pacquiao did in ducking the rubbermatch with Marquez and bitching out of drug tests due to "fear of needles," I would stop being a Floyd fan. Just like I stopped being a Pac fan. That's the difference between a grown man who is a fan of boxing, and a pathetic little nuthugging faggot who is a fan of boxer's ballsacks.

 

ok.

 

ok.

 

People's frames change with age. Bone density increases, body mass and distribution changes.

It's always funny to watch morons be aggressively pedantic about some shit they have no clue about.

 

Do you think Manny currently has the frame of a welterweight? ::

 

I countered your opinion with " ok" to one single point because your opinion was stupid and has been refuted many times already. You counter my inarguable and scientifically established facts with " ok" because the lone rusty braincell in your head sparked enough for you to realize that you just got punked and don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But I recommend you stick to it, you'll only look dumber if you try to say anything more complex.

 

No.

Do you think Floyd currently has the frame of a junior featherweight?

 

The totally ironic thing here is that I used to be a Floyd fan.

Up until the Castillo fights, I was a proper fan of Floyd (as a fighter obviously).

I even used to give people Floyd fights to get them into boxing, as he can be a joy to watch.

Yet the difference between me and you is, I can't be a fan of someone who calls himself the best fighter in the world and has a resume as downright fucking pathetic as Floyd has post 135.

Especially at welterweight. He's been at WW for 5 years and his resume there is a fucking disgrace. The only legit WW he's fought is a 40 year old Mosley ::

 

I guarantee you what I do for a living requires far, far more brainpower and science than you, cunt features.

 

No, I think he has the frame of a 140 pounder, which is what he's always had. He was fucking big at 130.

 

According to me, they should both be retired.

I'm stupid because I want to use for real weights like pounds while you want to use wizardry shit like "frame."

Barrera fought his first fight at 111. Nobody gives a flying fuck. Manny started at 108 and got his ass kicked. I don't give a flying fuck about that. They were children you stupid bitch.

I'm going to write Boxrec and tell them they need to start listing every fighter's weight, starting when they were fucking 6. That way, we can adequately rank them and use their weights to determine how much stock we put in their wins. Also, I will ask them to list their "frame."

 

Real weights like pounds?

You think that's all there is to size you fucking moron?

Hey fucknuts, James Toney weighed more than Vitali in their recent fights, do you consider him bigger than Vitali?

 

Really? What do you do for a living? I'm guessing that if it's anything more complex than picking Pac's short hairs out of your teeth, you're the token office moron.

 

I program real time particle engines/motion graphics and 3D physics. What do you do?

 

Can you not think of a single reason why the analogy you made is braindead as fuck? Just one?

 

Who has the larger frame framemaster. Lennox or Tyson?