Pacquiao vs Cintron next?

mayweather jr beating baldomir is as impressive as pacquiao beating clottey. considering baldomir beat clottey. baldomir is a scrub and not even really worth mentioning in the career of mayweather jr.

 

Yes.

Pac wanted no part of Shane a year ago when he was linear champ at 147. Beating Marquez at 147 is more impressive than beating Clottey at 147.

 

You couldn't find one listing of him being 5'5. I think I'm going to go with actual listings from himself etc.. as opposed to what peeps around here guess him to be. They didn't measure Manny, no one broke you the tape measure. More "like" 5'5 as opposed to every publication in the world listing him as 5'6 1/2, im gonna go with 5'6 1/2. But, if you want to play that game, Pernell and Floyd are over listed too, thus just as tiny.

 

So now it's Marquez and Shane huh? What happened to Baldomir? Retracting that assertion now and replacing him with Marquez? A Marquez who was fighting 2 divisions higher than normal? You really are a sad one.

By the way, at 147, Clottey beats the tar out of Marquez.

Getting into the ring with with Margarito (which Floyd never wanted to do), making a punching bag out of Clottey who before that was always competitive, and beating the brakes off of Cotto shits all over Floyds resume at 147.

Not to mention that Pac is now about to fight Shane as well while Floyd is busy doing what? Fighting women and security guards? It's not like todays Shane is very far removed from the Shane that Floyd faced. Neither is a prime Shane and Floyd didn't exactly give him a beating which would add much mileage to the guy.

 

I have never said that I never fought.

I do understand what your trying to say, I really do. It's just how you go about doing it.

We both agree that Manny is a small welterweight, real small. But he is a welterweight now and has excelled and is probably more comfortable at that weight than you would think.

The problem I have, is that you constantly try to make his victories seem more dramatic and meaningful because he was a featherweight years ago. Floyd and Pernell = small welterweights. No one gave them extra credit for being small.

Since you claim to be an amatuer boxer, you must know that it's not all pure advantages to being bigger. Bigger a lot of times means slower and less stamina and balance is usually worse. There are disadvantages and advantages to being small and big. But that's why they use WEIGHT classes, not "frame" classes or "height" classes.

If you just said, "That's impressive win for Manny, by the way, he's a small welterweight" I wouldn't have a problem with that.

It's your constant missions to overstate everthing Pac does because he's small. Saying he fought at 108, saying he's a natural featherweight, saying he has a tiny "frame." He's a small welterweight, we get it, but we also get that he's not the first small welterweight and I personaly believe that other smaller welterweights are better fighters than him anyways.

I would pick Whitaker and Floyd to beat Pac, and they are tiny welterweights too. See? How big your frame is doesn't really matter in boxing. It's how you use your stature and size to maximize your effectiveness. How's the freak Paul Williams these days? Did he ever wake up from that coma? He should be the best ever because he fought at welterweight and has the "frame" of a Heavyweight, but he doesn't maximize the use of his size, so he get laid the fuck out.

Manny is just a small welterweight fighter that has fought a lot of weight drained fighters and old men lately. If he is a featherweight, believe me, there are some fights down there I'd like to see him in, especially instead of 40 yr old Mosely.

 

You can't be serious?

Baldomir got a DQ over Clottey in a fight that Clottey was winning on all 3 score cards. Clottey also beat Corrales and Judah and was very competetive with Cotto and Margarito. He is a much more solid guy than Baldomir ever was despite the lack of title. If Clottey had gotten that chance against Gatti that Baldomir had gotten it would've been him that was lineal champ.

 

i dont care to watch the fight, have you seen it and are you suggesting the DQ was unjustified?

baldomir also beat judah and wouldve beat corrales at welterweight as well, if you want to play that game.

beating gatti did not crown baldomir linear champion, either.

 

It's certainly possible that Floyd is under 5'8 yeah, seeing as most fighters heights are exaggerated, apart from British fighters.

 

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TexMex: Manny is 5'5, bro.

I met him in San Antonio and Houston.

 

You can't tell how tall someone is by the inch from meeting someone. All that is, is a guess on your part. A rough guess.

He is listed EVERYWHERE at 5'6 1/2. The lowest, 5'6.

I'm 5'10. In some shoes I can be close to 6'0, in some, I'm still 5'10. That is another factor.

The 5'6 1/2 that is listed everywhere came from somewhere and it's more popular and used than 5'5.

 

I'm 5'8 on the left, count the inches in this photo best as you can, my friend on the right is close to 6 ft. and look how far down he has to bend to get into the photo with The Champion.

 

great picture, karl. pacquiao looks a bit apprehensive standing next to a hitter like yourself

 

Camera is angled and Pac is standing much more head on and your slanted. Also, it seems your standing about as upright as possible, like your trying to look as tall as possible, Manny is slouching, looks like he's sitting on a barstool. There is not way to gather anything except that your taller than Pac, by how much? Impossible to distinguish in this picture.

Thats why mugshots are taken like they are, straight on, front view, side view while you stand in front of something that displays inches.

 

Isn't DLH pretty much regarded at 5'10? Hmmm... Pac doesn't look 5 inches shorter here....

 

He did when they fought.

 

Clottey couldn't even win 1 round against Manny. Jmm won plenty of rounds against Manny

I included Marquez because he is a more significant victory than Clottey.

Fighters do move up and win. Check boxings history many times a lightweight has moved up to fight and beat a welterweight.

Beating Margarito wasn't so impressive. When Shane beat him it was impressive because he was coming off his signiture win. Manny has a constant theme in his career which is picking off right where somebody left off.

Shane is a long way removed. When Floyd beat him he was coming off the best performance and biggest win of his career. Now he hasn't won a fight in over 2 years and looked like shit against a C level fighter. Manny is a great bowler always knocking down the spares.

 

Some folks just don't get it.

If TexMex feels that strongly about Manny's height: he needs to try to set up an interview with Manny, and good luck as he is gonna need it!

Only reason I was granted some time with him was that I know Freddie.

 

you suck Karl, you suck so hard

 

that's stingerkarl?? he's the guy who talks about kicking people's asses?!

 

Tex, I thought the same thing in the run up to the fight.

In some of the press conference shots AND the weigh in itself, Manny didn't look as dwarfed as I thought he would.

Then you realise that the weigh in shot, Manny had some chunky looking trainers on, and Oscar just socks.

And in the press shots, I can only assume Manny had lifts or something, and that it was done on purpose to not look farcical, because like Steve said, in the actual fight, there did look to be about a 5 inch height difference.

 

Even you agree he is a "real small" welterweight, so I don't even know what we're arguing about ::

I guess I do overstate his size etc, but the reason I do that is I really think since the hype has subsided a bit surrounding Manny, people are taking him for granted.

People can say what they want to denigrate his opponents, but the fact is, if it's that easy to do what he is doing, DOMINATING larger opponents of the calibre that he is, why aren't more people doing it?

People often fail moving up just a division or 2, let alone what Manny has done.

We can look back in hindsight and act like the Oscar win doesn't mean anything, but who did you pick to win that fight?

And also, what smaller welterweights do you honestly think are better than Pacquiao? I can't even think of one top welterweight in recent history, let alone one better than Pacquiao.

It is honestly funny to me that I get accused of a Pacquiao nuthugger etc.

1) I picked Barrera to beat him.

2) I picked Morales to beat him.

3) I picked David Diaz to give him a tough fight.

4) I picked Oscar to beat him easily, thought Manny was stupid for taking the fight.

5) I picked Hatton to give him a pretty tough fight (but was confident of a Manny victory).

6) Thought Cotto would give Manny a MUCH tougher fight than he did, and not for one minute did I think Manny would be walking Cotto down giving him a beating like that.

Not exactly the behaviour of a "nuthugger" is it?

The fact is, Pacquiao has surprised me time and time again, and performed better than I thought possible. To the point where I think he is one of the best ever and is actually being taken for granted by some people.

And although in one way you have to judge him as a welterweight, in another way, you DO have to take into account size, it makes it exceptional.

If he was a natural welterweight what he has accomplished there would be nothing special, it's not like he's beaten Ray Leonard. It's special because of his size.

I give Roy a lot of credit for the Ruiz win, far, far more than if he was a natural heavyweight obviously, you have to when people are at a significant size disadvantage.

 

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No, you don't get it.

I don't care if you met him, slept with him, or spoon fed him some wheaties. Unless you broke out the measuring tape and took an accurate measure, your guess is just that, a guess.

I'll take what EVERY listing on Earth says, rather than your guess.

 

Did you just say Manny must have had lifts on in the press shots?:giggle:

 

Pacquiao's size is just a confusing issue. I remember saying he was too small for featherweight on seeing him - before I even knew about his history at flyweight. When he moved to 130 I thought he was crazy to. When he moved to lightweight I really thought it'd be a bridge too far. By the time he was fighting Oscar I thought it was a straight-out farce. So i really don't have an opinion on Manny's size that means shit as my record shows. ::

I think it's maybe because he's got a huge head.....it makes his frame look tiny. He still LOOKS like a super featherweight. Tiny wee bones, narrow shoulders etc. Yet his tale of the tape measurements have him comfortably the size of a junior welterweight.

Strange wee body he's got. I bet his wiener is either massive or tiny.

 

Margarito is regarded and listed at 5'11. If Manny were to be 5'5, this would be a six inch difference. It looks to me that Manny being 5'6 1/2 is just about perfect actually. The next picture is a real six inch difference.