Hatton sucked at welter...

What are we basing this on?

A close win against a tricky opponent in his first major fight on the road? And his loss to Mayweather... who has never lost?

I'm curious.

 

he looked completely different... far weaker, most notably

 

that said, Mayweather would have whupped his butt at 140 too

 

Well he looked much better after going back to 140 after the Collazo fight. Also his inside style would always be less effective against bigger opponents he couldn't bully.

If he didn't get so fat in between fights and was able to make 135 his career probably would have been even better.

 

Not like Manny did though.

 

This is what Hatton Fans CLING To, to Chip Away @ Floyd's WIN Over Hatton...



REED:hammert:

 

definitely not... but that is because Floyd isn't that kind of puncher

 

Not really a Mayweather thread... honestly.

I just think it's possible that fighting on the road (he looked pretty lame vs. Urango, too) had a lot to do with him looking like a different fighter.

 

I really think Hatton fed off the energy those fucking insane crowds at home produced.

 

That was just plain ugly fight. Very Ruiz like. Still Urango looked built like a small truck and Hatton was able to outmuscle him on the inside.

 

To a degree and a ref that allowed him to do whatever he wanted.

 

true

 

For the trillionth time, Hatton was absolutely, utterly dependant on two things. Firstly, he had fucking fast feet. Secondly, he was always MUCH bigger/heavier than every single light-welter he ever faced. When he was able to use both of these he could physically bully opponents on the inside, by fair and sometimes foul means.

When he moved to 147, he was weighing the same weight at fight time as he was when fighting at 140, but his opponents were not. They weighed as much as him (and possibly more- I've heard people say that he and Floyd weighed the same on fight night but I've never actually seen any proof of this) so he completely lost one of the two key attributes upon which his entire career was built, which dramatically reduced his effectiveness. If you rely on being heavier/stronger than your foes and are then faced with opponents who are just as strong/heavy, then you are fucked.

Look at how Hatton was out-strengthed by Floyd in the few clinches they were allowed to have; that was the most strange and impressive element of that fight for me, because Hatton's entire plan was based on getting inside and bullying Floyd, yet when he got there he got bullied himself.

That's why he was far less effective at 147.

MTF

 

Maybe, but he looked awful vs Lazcarno at home (to give one example) and pretty damn effective again when he fought Paulie in the US

MTF :dunno:

 

Yep.

He looked out of his element and undersized.

 

Exactly

 

Hmm, not sure I'd call Collazo tricky. In fact, he's fairly basic and ordinary (aside from being a southpaw). Tough but not a knockout puncher. Durable but not a great chin. Average boxer (as far as contenders go), not particularly great defense.

 

Yep, and that.

 

definitely, that was the most striking difference to me

he was a mauler at 140, push guys backwards and all of that... at 147 he was the one getting pushed

 

That's fair.

 

Southpaw, tricky... whatever. ::

 

I'm not so sure it was necessarily the weight as much as it was the opponents and situations. Hatton took the Collazo fight at WW on relatively short notice, as HBO rejected a Lazcano fight. He may have been a bit underprepared not just for a bigger opponents, but the southpaw style. I didn't see all of the Magee fight, but I saw him get dropped early with a right hook. In addition to all the other advantages Manny had on Ricky, the southpaw stance just added to it.

Being the type of physical, bruising fighter Ricky was, I would say he lost a bit moving up in weight, but I wouldn't say he "sucked" at WW. I'd still pick him at WW over some of the recent champs/titlists we've had there in recent years.

 

Really? Who? I have been one of Hatton's biggest defenders on this site but I would rank him as no more than a decent welterweight.

MTF

 

You guys know what I'm saying though? I think Hatton lost a little edge when he fled the coop.

 

At least he fled the coop. Most British fighters in his shoes would have stayed in England and allowed Werren to milk the Tszyu fight dry for years after. IMO Hatton gets far less credit for fucking Werren off and challenging himself than he should do.

Especially from you...

MTF :nana:

 

I was actually pretty shocked. I didn't think he would be amazing at 147 because he looks like a classic 140 pounder, but when you're used to seeing someone look so physically strong in their weight class, it's bizarre to see them outmuscled only 7 pounds up, by a fringe world level guy like Collazo.

He seemed to have such a strength advantage at 140, you'd imagine him to at least be slightly stronger physically than the likes of Collazo.

 

There's been some relatively weak champs and titlists at 147 in recent years. Baldomir and Judah for instance. I think Zab would hurt or drop Hatton early and then Hatton would gradually bring the pressure and Zab would shell up and lose. Sort of similar to Zab's fights with Cotto & Floyd in that regard. Hatton would fight Baldomir similar to how he fought Urango in the latter rounds and even Tackie. Speed and stink tactics to win a decision. Berto would be tougher due to his size and speed, maybe he wears down Hatton in the clinch, but I'd make Hatton even money against Berto. I guess how it reflects how I think of Berto.

In a world with one clear champ and contenders, I'd have Ricky as a contender type at WW.

Note: this post has shit quite a bit on Floyd's WW achievements ::

 

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Don't get me wrong! I'm glad he did. I just think he was a little out of his element. You have to remember, before he fled, Hatton was one of the most protected fighters in the history of boxing.

 

Hatton, back in the day, was the man.

 

And when he stepped up he struggled and got knocked out.

I don't feel too bad for the lad...he made tons of cash for the Mayweather and Pacquiao fights. I read once that despite taking a much lower guarantee he made more than Floyd when all was said and done. Floyd got none of the U.K. money where Hatton got it all.