Marquez offered fall bout with Pacquiao

no way in hell pacquiao drops weight to face marquez at super lightweight.

 

So because he won't the fight is pointless? Gotcha. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

True but Pac has moved on to bigger and better fights. I don't personally think he should face JMM again specifically because he's moved up in weight.

JMM is not as effective at the higher weight and Pac isn't moving down. The fight probably shouldn't even be a priority for either guy.

Of course all of this assumes Pac gets past SM.

 

Not at all. Pac should be fighting JMM in May.

 

Pac wouldn't even face Morales at 132 and he was coming off of 3 loses in his last 4 fights.

 

nonsense.

Shane has no chance. Marquez at least has the style o trouble Pac.

 

Shane would beat JMM down at 147, he is far more dangerous at WW than JMM.

Would anyone seriously pick JMM to beat Shane?

 

I know what a dick huh? Pac should agree to 143 then not even bother to make weight and just come in at 147. ::

 

At 140 it could be a decent fight, and I guess it's always good to have a trilogy, settle the score.

At 147 it's an unfair fight and I would criticise Manny for taking it.

 

Did you talk shit about Floyd for fighting him at 147?

 

Of course I fucking did, the fight was a joke.

 

I know I am in the minority here but I don't wanna see this fight now. Manny has gotten better and JMM hasn't. Plain and simple.....this is only a fight for people want to see Marquez savagely KO'd,.... for whatever reason.

 

You're not really. I think the window for a third fight closed once PAC moved up. JMM at 147 isn't fair IMO.

 

I agree. It's odd isn't it? What makes Pacquiao too much for his former, lighter opponents is that he can put on stunning amounts of muscle and get up into the higher weights with lots of extra strength, but little or no skill reduction, and no extra blubber weighing him down.

Yet what makes him too much for many of his opponents at higher weights is exactly the same thing. He comes in as fast as a much lighter fighter, with the same output as a lighter fighter, yet still packs on enough muscle to hit hard enough and take shots well enough to stop naturally bigger opponents and endure their punches.

In a way he has sort of unlocked the secret of becoming perhaps the greatest fighter ever. He is able to ascend through multiple weight divisions with no apparent negative effects you would see in just about every other fighter who ever got in the ring. Keep your speed and punch output, and you overwhelm guys naturally 30-40 pounds bigger than you, yet increase your size and strength to such a degree that you hit too hard and are too strong for guys naturally your size who move up, too.

If he is not on a regimen of PED's, then I think he has the greatest boxing DNA ever created by god, evolution, or whatever. They should take and store samples of his blood, and then fighters in the future can pay thousands on the black market for a "Pac pack" or a "Philippino juice infusion", just a mere pint of his golden blood.

 

I agree. He is a freak of nature.

Here is a guy that has a smaller frame than Marquez, and looked like the smaller man in their fights.

But due to his freakish ability to add solid muscle while losing NO speed or explosiveness or agility, a fight at 147 is considered unfair, and rightly so.

 

Really, Pacquiao has a smaller frame than Marquez? Go take a look at his wrist size measurements or his calf/quad measurements vs Marquez's, and get back to us afterward.

Also, if his "freakish" ability to add muscle combined with his fear of needles and blood tests doesn't at least raise alarm bells in your mind, you probably still believe there are WMDs in Iraq.

 

http://www.philstar.com/thedeanscor...?articleId=679934&publicationSubCategoryId=69

Pacquiao has a bigger frame than Marquez AND Floyd!! So just imagine how much bigger Pac was than Hatton at 140, he definitely had an unfair advantage ointlaugh:

 

Yes, Pac probably takes some shit, but you would be naive to assume that countless of fighters aren't doing the same, yet there are nobody else who can duplicate Pac's achievements. I don't think you can explain his ability to remain effective at higher weights only with PEDs.

 

Agreed. Unless Pacquiao is using some sort of top secret formula that no other boxer in history has had available to them it wouldn't add up.

 

I've said the same thing plenty of times.

Until he's caughed, nobody knows for sure if he is on roids.

If we're to be believe some people, literally every top fighter is on steroids or some kind of performance enhancer.

The truth is, if Pacquiao's success is in large part down to steroids, why aren't countless other fighters doing what he's doing?

 

Is that a mistake or a British thing?

 

Same thing.

 

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Pacquiao already has phenomenal talent and exceptional athletic abilities. Most fighters don't start out with that base. His ability to retain the attributes that made him special at lower weights is imo due to a combination of PEDs and cherry-picked opponents.

edit: Also, an 8" wrist at 5'6" 140-147 lbs is an almost sure sign of GH abuse.

 

Wow, Pacquiao has a bigger wrist and calves than Mosley! He is practically a middleweight!

 

As I said, I would rather see this than Pac/Mosley. Doesn't mean I want to see Pacquiao use up the entire year fighting both.

 

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It's also odd, that people express an air of caution over this man-made monster,.. "ohhh another weight division will be too much for Pacquiao,.. he's taken such a huuuuge risk already",...:: it's not like he 'just gets by' .... he hurts opponents with a mere couple of punches,..and bulldozes straight over the top of them,..has them sprinting around the perimeter with a 'WTF!????' look on thier faces..

^Don't do that, with the blood-sample thing, it's getting old,..it is Pacquiao's private property and a breach of his civil liberties under the government of various boxing commissions, they also would agree that it is very racist,..as Arum has pointed out, again.

So do not annoy people you troll,... I dare you to go and say it to Ariza's face. Ariza schooled the USADA,.. with the following, and I DO quote it accurately,.. "Shut up!"... and so you should.

 

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Kauki, let's say Manny is on roids.

Why can't other fighters replicate his success? If steroids are such a huge component of his success, why aren't there other guys Manny's size slapping welterweights around the ring like punch bags?