Hatton sucked at welter...

What does that have to do with your incorrect statement?

 

Not incorrect.

 

Who picked Hatton over Floyd?

 

You said the weight was used as an excuse. No one said Hatton would win at 140, so I don't know what the excuse would be for.

 

I would pick Khan, Morales and Bradley for sure. Maidana and Alexander would be no cake walk either.

 

I'd pick Hatton over Morales, Maidana and Alexander without question

 

Morales is way too skilled and tough to lose to Hatton.

 

Its not used as an excuse and its not used as an absolute disclaimer.

It's just used as a contributory factor.

Floyd was better, but the fight would have been much much closer at 140, especially circa 2005/2006

 

I hate to shout but.....
BOTH MEN WOULD HAVE WEIGHED 148 ANYWAY!!!!!!!!

Why aren't people hearing this?

 

You're off your nut. That wouldn't have went 8 rounds. Swamped.

 

So your saying Morales KO's him in 8 or less?

 

I hate Hatton as much as anyone, and love Morales, but there's no way a prime Hatton loses to the Erik who just fought Maidana

 

Morales in his prime as well or Morales vs Hatton now. Either way ill take Erik.

 

Im saying it's a mismatch, put the other pieces together to suit.

 

Hatton would outwork the Erik who just fought Marcos, don't think he'd stop him though. Prime Erik is a different story

 

Prime Erik isn't anywhere near 140lb.

 

I know this McHut, but the shot version handled himself pretty well at 140 the other week so I imagine a fresher version would be pretty capable there too

 

Callazo is a mediocre welterweight and Hatton almost got stopped byt he guy. He was clearly not as effective at 147, he faded badly fighting a guy he couldn't bully.

 

I had him losing by at least 5 points. He was gallant but badly outsized and muscled - a key dynamic which doesn't change with youth.

 

There is something you seriously, seriously don't understand here Hut.

I said this before several times.

It's not about what you walk around at or can balloon upto, it's what you can GET DOWN TO!!!!!

Quite simply, when they fought, Hatton could have COMFORTABLY made 140 (as he continued to do after Floyd) and Floyd would have fucking drained himself to make 140, meaning it would be a closer fight, Floyd would be weaker/slower.

When they fought, Floyd was a welter and Hatton wasn't, Hatton could make 140 and Floyd couldn't, what don't you understand about this?

It wasn't a 140 pound fight, because Floyd didn't have to make 140, which would obviously have considerably weakened him.

It was a welterweight fight, and Floyd is not a welterweight.

Right now if Pacquiao fought Marquez at 147, even if they came to the ring the same as if they weighed in at 140, IT'S STILL A FUCKING WELTERWEIGHT FIGHT!!!

And the significant part is, it's pretty obvious that these days, Manny is going to have a harder time making 140 than Marquez, just like Floyd would have had a much harder time making 140 than Hatton.

 

As I've said before, if Floyd, as a guy who weighed 148 at fight time, couldn't have boiled down to 140, 36hrs earlier, if he wanted/needed to, he'd be unique in all of professional boxing. There's no precedent or basis for your opinion, there.

Guys who weigh 148 at fight time without any weight cutting can dry out to make 140 if they have the inclination to. They just can. That's human physiology. Floyd didn't want or need to.

Floyd moved to welter to chase Oscar/money, not because he had problems making 140.

 

I think you're wrong Hut

 

That's speculation.

Like I said in another thread, when I boxed as an amateur in my early 20's a few years ago, despite eating a LOT (a lot of cheese, meat etc too) I just never put on much weight. I'm very energetic with a high metabolism.

I had to lose maybe 10 pounds to get down to my fighting weight. Losing more than that would have honestly been a struggle, and I would have undoubtedly been weaker. I would have either had to starve myself somewhat, and gone running while hungry and weak, OR I would have had to go in a sauna etc. Either one would not be good at all.

What I think is that by the time he fought Hatton, Floyd had grown into a welterweight, and Floyd making 140 would have weakened him far, far more than Hatton, who has always made 140 comfortably.

Here is the weigh in. Compare this to a 140 pound weigh in for Floyd, he is noticeably bigger.







I think Marquez weighed the same in the Floyd fight in the ring as he does at 135.

What you're saying is akin to saying the fight would have been the same at 135, as their ring weights would have been the same. It's absurd, because it's completely neglecting the fact that one of them could make the weight below, and one couldn't.

Yes the ring weights WOULD probably be the same. But Floyd would be properly drained at 135 and Marqueaz obviously wouldn't.

 

FLOYD WEIGHED THE SAME AT WELTER AS HE DID AT 140. He didn't grow, he just cut out the process of cutting weight.

This logic applies 100% to the Collazo fight, but not to the Floyd fight. If Floyd was stronger it's because he's stronger. He's a strong guy.

 

That doesn't mean anything. Floyd has never liked putting on much weight, he likes to be lean and fast.

If you really think Floyd would have been the same weighing in at 140 having not made that weight in over 2 years, you don't know what you're talking about.

Pacquiao weighs the same at 147 as he does at 140, ring weights.

I guarantee you Pacquiao is faster and stronger NOT having to make 140 now, having not made 140 in 2 years.

That's why the Marquez fight is fairer at 140 than 147.

 

Agreed. Completely baseless speculation on your part. My speculation at least has a basis in every recorded figure of Floyd's weight during his career, & a comparison to other recorded weigh in and in ring weights for junior welterweights and welterweights. :dunno:

It's a slight tangent from the point of the discussion, but 'High metabolism' is a proven myth. It's purely subjective perception. The variance in metabolism relative to muscle mass and activity is about 10% from top to bottom. People with high metabolisms just eat less calories, simple as that (and vice versa).

So your basis for your opinion on Floyd is it's slight relation to your own experience (which with due respect is a million miles away from full time professional, world class boxing) and very little else. Don't mean to be a dick, just making the observation.

Floyd's ring weight wouldn't have been the same though. At 135 he used to weight about 142 in the ring. By the time he fought Marquez he was about 152 in the ring (the first time he'd weighed over 148 in the ring, including the Oscar fight). He's certainly grown between 135 and now. Between fighting Gatti and Hatton? There's no evidence of him getting any bigger. Simply no evidence at all.

 

BTW, of course he looks bigger at the WEIGH IN at 147. He isn't dried out.:dunno:

 

You're trying to reason with the unreasonable here, Hut.

The idea that Floyd couldn't cut an extra 7 lbs of water is comical. That would make him unique amongst not only boxers, but pretty much all grown adults. It's fairly well known that Floyd doesn't care for drying out, and he's good enough that he doesn't have to.

Someone find the interview with Hatton where he's talking about how he's bigger than Floyd, and the "higher the weight, the better it is for me - I wouldn't mind doing the fight at 175."

 

'word'.

 

He doesn't care for drying out, because drying out makes you weak.

How hard is this to understand? ::