Which win do you rate higher?

What matters more than what weight you balloon upto is what weight you can get down to, afterall that's the concept of weight divisions, the lowest you can actually weigh in at.

 

The Pac vs Hatton sure as hell looked more impressive. Both are good wins and Floyd certainly did not ruin Hatton in any way. I don't know why Floyd fans act like Manny fought a ruined Hatton.

 

In the context of what we're actually talking about here - No.

 

Margarito doesn't really fight anything like Castillo, either. Castillo was a far superior inside/pressure fighter who threw short and compact punches and had some degree of defense. Margarito basically walked forward winging wide, slow punches and blocked punches with his face.

I never thought much of Margarito, I was shocked when he beat Cotto (and now we know why). Though it probably made matters worse that everyone over at Maxboxing thought Margarito was the second coming, that shit was annoying as all fuck.

 

Castillo was much better than Plasterito, they fought nothing alike.

Plasterito was a face first plodder.

Castillo was a good attacking fighter with boxing skill and great inside fighting. He had far better jab, defense, and basic boxing skills than Plasterito. And he was faster for his weight class.

 

They were come forward, swarming, volume fighters. End of story, they fought very alike, stylistically. Their instinct was to let their hands go and ask questions later.

Coralles was far more circumspect with letting his hands go. He was effectively a PUNCHER, looking for impactful shots. A slugger, if you like (which I don't mean in a pejorative sense). That is tailor made for a counter puncher like Floyd.

That Castillo was better than Margarito isn't really a relevant point in a discussion of styles. Especially when you consider Tony is 2 divisions bigger. But again, plaster or not (which Floyd didn't know about at the time and may not have found out about before getting into the ring), Tony has an impressive resume for a guy who was apparently so completely useless.

 

I don't consider them that similar, stylistically.

Castillo was more skilled and more patient, and had better boxing skills.

Castillo jabbed his way in, picked his shots, had good timing and accuracy.

Plasterito just charged forward, mindlessly swarming, and barely trying to get out of the way of shots.

His success was down to world class stamina, chin, and concrete handwraps.

 

Dude...you're better than this.

COrrales, against the right person was a come forward swarming volume fighter. Check the first Castillo fight.

Kelly Pavlik looked like a volume puncher in many fights but he too, was one of those guys that sacrificed defense in order to get to his man eventually hoping to trap him in a corner or force an exchange. Against a Hopkins he was a one dimensional plodder.

Corrales and Margarito are very much alike. They both sacrifice defense in order to get to their men, waiting to trap them and then punish them with punches. Castillo, is far more skillful in his attack and in his defense. FAR MORE.

 

Correct. Hut is very wrong in this one.

 

I withdraw the opinion, on this one actually. You were right.

 

I'm feeling very argumentative today ::

 

Margarito pushed his punches a lot, I am not convinced he had the same sort of crisp, compact left-hook that Castillo did.

 

I agree with this for the most part. Pacquaio's win was more dramatic and decisive but Hatton walked in with a clear KO loss on his ledger. Honestly, I don't place much emphasis on the fight taking place at 147 seeing that Floyd won his first title at 130 and passed Hatton on the way up.

The result would have been the same at 140. Floyd is simply a better fighter as was/is Pacquiao.

If Floyd was a career welterweight then yes, I'd take something off the win but under the circumstances there's no reason to deduct points from Floyd.

 

Castillo was a shell of himself...was heavily in debt due to fines from the Corrales rematch then cancellation of the third.

Funny how you give credit for Castillo at 147 when his best days were at 135.

 

For once, we agree

 

I think inside-the-ring weight is more important. I feel that day before weigh-ins have tarnished a bit the whole concept of weight classes. I mean there were still fighters under the old rules who cut more weight than others, but you can rehydrate on a lot more weight with 24 extra hours. Isn't the whole concept of weight divisions? For fighters to be the SAME weight?

Then you get situations like Gerald McClellan fighting guys whom he probably outweighs by two divisions once he enters the ring.

 

Margarito is harder to discourage than Shane, and will continue coming forward and throwing. Mosley gets hit hard and can go into a shell and become more reluctant to throw. Margarito acts like he enjoys getting punched in the face and will keep pressing the issue and letting his hands go.

Mayweather would probably fight Margarito like he did the rematch with Castillo. Using his speed and stink tactics.

 

Most likely. Which is why I don't see Margarito having the slightest chance.

 

Sure but if Floyd was really scared of Margarito like everybody claimed (which is rediculous anyway) surely he would be super scared of Shane. In fact most people said Floyd was scared of Shane when Shane finally got over his tooth ache and called out Floyd.

 

For the record I rate both the same. Both guys took a high reward low risk fight. Hatton is a dream opponent for any fighter.

 

That's what Tszyu thought....

 

Hatton "cheated" in that fight, did you not know? Hatton didn't throw any clean punches, he just nailed Zoo in the balls all night, then kicked him in the head. Then the BNP ran into the ring and clocked Zoo with a deck-chair, before Mickey Vann disqualified Zoo. Never fight in England :nono: