When Floyd fought Hatton

Fair enough. And yeah, my posts above illustrate it as succinctly as possible, stuff I was trying to explain before.

And just so you know, the only reason I've been arguing so vehemently is I knew 100% I was right. I hate to pull a Karl, but part of the reason is that I've boxed a bit myself, and it's not quite as simple as comparing two weights etc.

 

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Do you post in any threads other than the threads with these guys in it?

 

PBF clearly enjoyed a size and strength advantage, that had he been required to shrink down to 140, would not have been nearly as decisive.

Let's remember that PBF was controlling Hatton on the inside, out-muscling him, and controlling the pace, whether the fight were being fought inside or out.

In general, PBF has not enjoyed this kind of dominance. Not against Sosa, Castillo or even Corrales. Against JMM and Hatton, however? Hatton could dominate in the truest mathematical sense of the word - he enjoyed every advantage. This would not necessarily, and may not have been, the case had PBF faced Hatton at 140, the only weight class in which Hatton had ever shown any promise.

 

I agree with Mex most the time. On this one I disagree but his opinion isn't crazy, wasn't from the start (never said it was, Im not that conceited) and after 3 days he's finally made a plausible case for it. Fine. I still don't agree, but great, he can have it, if he likes.

But nobody else on this board is so neurotically unable to concede one inch on a discussion ever, whether out of simple manners/basic decency/some sense of fucking perspective that we're on a stupid internet forum arguing about nothing. I've never known anything like it and it isn't normal. He'll take every petty discussion to the bone and insult people persistently in the process. Over some stupid debate that neither of us really care about.

I'm a pretty malleable character around here, in large part because I actually like people around here we've been here for ages and being obnoxious & insulting over a petty argument is just prick behaviour. If something actually gets heated I'll generally take a step back and come back at it with a little humour and perspective. Not only will Mex never do that but he won't bite at any attempts at you doing it first.

I nearly missed the key statement earlier; the core unconscious belief of wife beaters, abusive fathers and damaged, boorish pricks everywhere - 'my opinion is fact'. Without any hint of self awareness or irony.

I think if me and Mex ever met we would take a pretty rapid dislike to each other, I don't respond well to people like that, full stop.

 

Me and Mex hated each other at the beginning, we actually nearly arranged a fight at one point ::, those were the days

However he along with yourself are two of my favourite posters, I like the fact hes so forthright with his opinions, you need that. It puts people on edge yoonamsayin? Interesting discussions and all that. I think you two would be fine in real life you crazy Scottish nutter ::

 

No doubt about it..

Actually easier IMO

Natron gets all fat and big and struggles to get down, Floyd is a professional and would do it easier

 

I'd slap you down, num sen?

And really, you're talking nonsense. You see this is a rare instance where I won't budge, because I know what I'm talking about, and I know I'm right.

It's like if you were a builder and you told me something I know is incorrect, like the same method can be used to interpolate a Quaternion or a Matrix, should I just stop arguing or meet you in the middle for the sake of being sociable?

Of course not, if I know I'm right, I'm going to fucking argue my point.

 

Leave that shit at fanatics.

 

Mex, you never talked about your boxing past until recently. What made you come out of the pugilistic closet?

 

Quite proud of my drunken peacemaker efforts ::

 

No what's serious is that I voted for the wrong option. Meant to vote that it would be harder for Floyd to make the weight.

 

Yeah, pretty much.

Mex is my boy, but we're talking about a guy that picked Cotto to beat Winky at 154 last week. His regression as a poster has been shocking and swift.

 

To be fair, I was being benignly sarcastic because I couldn't bear arguing anymore. You always know 100% that you're right. Whether you are or not. On this one, nobody knows, that's the entire point. And your making one cogent point after I've made several doesn't mean either of us know either. Judging by the poll, opinion is still totally split.

I acknowledged throughout that Floyd might have gained a slight advantage over Hatton from not going through the dry/hydrate stage. I mean if Floyd was to be stronger for not having gone through it so would Hatton; who more? Who knows. Maybe Floyd slightly, but however sure you are that it's 'common sense' the answer is Floyd, to truth is there isn't actually any concrete reason to think so, let alone that it'd be fight impacting. And the last point you made doesn't change that.

My point throughout all of this over several years has just been to bring up the Collazo fight to discredit the relevance of Floyd-Hatton as a contest is disengenuous because Floyd was about 14lb lighter than Collazo was, and that size issue was what Hatton struggled with with his style (and why he'd be a generally ineffective welterweight).

And any slight advantage Floyd gained from the weigh in being higher (again speculation) is negligible COMPARED to a genuine 14lb weight advantage like Collazo had. That key dynamic wasn't at play to anything like the same extent. And that's the issue 95% of people miss when they talk about that fight.

So my sole & basic point has been, it was still a very historically relevant fight. End communicae.

 

It happens with different posters fairly regularly, maybe not to this demented extent, but your total lack of magnanimity runs through your posts. I'm not sure what the word would be (possibly something medical) but you are to 'pig headed' as Kelly Brooke is to 'sorta attractive'.

Of course this is a behaviour pattern you can't recognise in yourself since it would mean your being wrong. And you're never wrong, Mex, you're right..... and reasonable and normal and cool and handsome and talented with 50 medals on your chest, arms like a leg and punch that would sink a battle ship. Takes all the army and the navy, to put the wind up big Mex. Diddily dum.

 

Hatton won that first round ::

 

Hatton was a really good fighter I'll always have huge regard for Hatton as the first guy to break the Warren orbit and actually chase relevant fights. British boxing is allot better off now for what Hatton did. I don't hold losing to the two best fighters of his generation against him, either, he gets huge credit for taking on both guys. Excellent fighter.:bears:

 

Opinion isn't split, the Aussies foolishly voted for the wrong option, it should be 11-6.

Take away votes from known Floyd groupies like V10, Explosivo and LOK, and you have 11-3.

I would also like to point out that 3 genuine Floyd fans, Sly, Joe King, and Ron King, all voted no.

And I knew you were being somewhat sarcastic, but I decided to respond genuinely anyway.

I'm actually wrong semi frequently, whether it be fight picks, judgements on certain prospects etc. I have no problem at all admitting I'm wrong.

But in this instance I know what I'm talking about, and quite simply anyone who thinks Floyd could have made 140 as easily as Hatton has no clue what they are talking about, none whatsoever.

It's actually YOU who is being pig headed and arrogant.

I don't know what you do Hut, but I imagine it's something different to me, and it would be like you arguing with me about solid body dynamics, or flock simulations. Or me telling you you're wrong about something that YOU do and have more experience in.

And quite simply, saying Floyd makes 140 as easy as Hatton is like saying Pacquiao makes 135 as easy as Marquez, despite packing on a few solid pounds of muscle to compete at 135, afterall his ring weights are similar ::

 

By the way Haymaker, actually I have mentioned it a few times, but I've never fought professionally etc so there's not much to talk about. I have sparred a very legit fighter though.

I've actually trained to fight in one way or another since the age of about 7. Starting with Karate (::) then Taekwondo (::), then Thai Boxing for a bit and eventually Boxing age 18/19.

 

Sorry, but I'm not a Floyd nuthugger. I was shitting on Floyd majorly on other sites when there were rumors he was going to fight Matthew Hatton. And if he pulled the shit Pac pulled post 135, I would be hating on him just as bad.

 

Yeah, I trained in TKD too. I thought I was the shit when I broke my first wood panel. Then I got into a real fight and the last thing that ran through my mind was using TKD. ::

 

Jesus christ.....right it's 9-9(or 10-8 if you like) but opinion isn't split. You have something straight up wrong with you.

 

I'm not a Floyd groupie you cock smokers!!!!

 

a better question for this poll is whether hatton would have done any better if they fought at 140lbs when mayweather jr was fighting at that weight and clamoring for a fight with hatton.

 

No Neil, I made a point that it's not about that.

For the record I'd pick a weight drained Floyd over Hatton at 140, but you best believe he'd have a much, much harder time making 140 than Hatton when they fought, just like Pacquiao would have a harder time making 135 now than Marquez. That's my only point. Correcting the idiots that think Floyd could have made 140 as easily as Hatton, despite not making the weight in 2.5 years, and looking solid and ripped weighing in at 147. Ignorance of the highest order.

 

Are you blind as well as stupid?

Punk and The Genius both said they accidentally voted yes when they meant to vote no.

That makes it 13 to 7. Decisive enough.

 

in essence you are complaining because one guy wasnt able to cut weight. one of the shittier practices in the game today. when mayweather jr fought in that actual division hatton wanted no part of him. sure he would have had a bigger weight advantage because he cuts, but he would have gotten thrashed just as badly.