Shavers or Jackson?

Maybe hypnosis is more powerful than any of us realize. The mind is a powerful thing. Women have been known to lift cars in order to protect their children...all through the power of the mind (causing the release of enough adrenaline etc).

 

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Weak claim with misleading and weak logic.

 

Which parts?

MTF :dunno:

 

You realise Wayne also said Morales hits harder right?

 

Marquez's punches clearly had more effect on Medina.

Hamed could punch, but that's it, he was a solid world class puncher.

Look at the decent or tough fighters he fought, his power looked nothing special.

Barrera, um, well that's it for good and prime, then you have Medina, Soto, Ingle, McCullough etc. In those 5 fights, he didn't look close to being the monster puncher he's made out to be.

He looked like a huge puncher against small or shot fighters like Buyani Bungu and Augie Sanchez ::

 

Actually Jackson dropped McClellan with a borderline low shot, and then McClellan got up and stopped him brutally.

 

McClellan was one of those guys who fought a few weightclasses lower than he should have: he melted down to 160 and then was back up to 170 before you could say Jack Robinson. In contrast, Jackson had to bulk up to 160 and easily made 154.

McClellan benefited from making lower weight but that also may have contributed to the blood clots he developed in the Benn fight. Julian Jackson was just a straight out BLASTER. When he landed, it really screwed guys badly.

 

McClellan reportedly first started experiencing headaches after the Jackson fight. They really should've gotten him to a neurologist much sooner.

As far as active fighters go, I think Randall Bailey might be on a level with those guys, or at least close to it. Not the most skilled guy, but when he can land it, that right hand is something else.

 

Marquez hit at least as hard as Hamed ::

 

not at 126

 

I know, seriously.

Probably the worst assertion that I have read on these forums

 

no he didnt

Ive seen that same thing said 100 times on here over the years and no one has ever been able to show me where it was said

he did praise Morales as a great puncher, which at 122 he was

as for Hamed, you seem to be ignoring the part where Soto basically covered up and avoided engaging him the whole night... why do you think he did that?... Medina ran, essentially (nothing new there) and Hamed floored him three times , he also fought Hamed 7 years before he faced Marquez and in the interim was knocked out by Derrick Gainer... does this mean Derrick Gainer hit harder than Hamed? nonsense... Paul Ingle dropped Medina a few years after that, did he hit harder than Hamed??? Look at Hamed versus Tom Johnson, he hurt him every time he landed... Johnson had never been stopped before, Hamed shook him up every time he touched him

Hamed had HIDEOUS technique and balance... he did everything wrong, but he hit like a bastard, WAY FUCKING HARDER than Marquez ever did

It's outrageous to suggest that they are even in the same galaxy as punchers... It is like saying Evander Holyfield hit like Earnie Shavers

 

HAHAHA

did MWS seriously just claim that Marquez hit as hard as Hamed?!

 

McCullough DID say that...but Holmes said that Norton hit harder than Tyson and so who the hell cares what fighters say anyway. They always have an agenda.

Apart from that I agree with your post wholeheartedly. hamed was an absolutely murderous puncher. The leverage that he'd get into his shots was ridiculous. Must have been his thick legs.

 

And it's not even MWS's worst assertion this week.

 

99 times out of 100 when a fighters is asked who was the hardest hitter they faced it's somebody the've defeated.

The opponents that knocked them fucking senseless didn't really hit that hard, they were just having an off night. :shit:

 

very true

 

"I don't know. All of them. They all hurt"
-- Saad Muhammad, when asked which of his opponents hit the hardest

 

word.

As you said....the ones who knocked them out are dismissed as merely catching them on an off-night.

 

Yeah, it's truely annoying. If i were to ever interview a fighter i wouldn't even bother asking that question.

You're about as likely to get an honest answer asking a woman what she weighs.

 

thats why I enjoyed what Saad replied

Lockridge said "Well, I guess it's LaPorte because he knocked me out but I dont really remember"

 

Yeah that is true, it's almost always a guy they've beaten ::

Or at least a guy they've JUST faced, for example um, the guy Gamboa beat, I forget his name, said Gamboa hits harder than Manny. Which I don't think is true at all. Gamboa savaged him from the get go, and still took a few rounds to take him out.

Manny was fighting bored, bad performance, yet as soon as he turned the heat up, that guy was done.

Regarding Wayne's comment, neither applies.

Morales gave Wayne more of a beating than Hamed did, AND I'm pretty sure it was in an interview after BOTH fights that he said Erik hit harder.

Either way Hamed's power is overrated. Who has he KO'd with 1 punch? Vuyani Bungu?

He has a few impressive KO's over sub par opposition, but couldn't put a dent in the only prime, world class fighter he fought.

Marquez looked more powerful against Medina without question. That was when his left hook started to look really fucking nice actually in that period, crisp and hard. It's when he made Peden puke blood.

Hamed could definitely punch, but not even close to a guy like Chico, and certainly not comparable to guys like Shavers and Jackson, no fucking way. Or Hearns of course.

 

Dude, stop

You are just wrong about this

Hamed hit much, much harder than Marquez

Apparently your self-vaunted expertise as an amateur fighter starts and ends with the finer points of making weight

You are so invested in this charade of being the lone wolf howling in the wilderness lest anyone forget to anoint St. Manny of Pacquiao as the greatest fighter who ever lived.

So how do you talk about manny without annoying everyone by constantly talking about manny?

Simple, you just talk about his most noted rival. And by "talk about" I mean take a fighter (JMM) whos skills and attributes are apparent to every remotely informed observer here and who doesn't need exaggeration to be recognized as a terrific fighter, and you simply lie about him and enhance his qualities to the most ludicrous degree imaginable at the expense of truth, logic and honesty

It's a parlor trick and a desperate, fawning one at that. I thought mIKE had the market cornered on "here's a totally ridiculous viewpoint that everyone with two eyes and a brain stem knows is utter horse shit but I'm going to stick to it like flies on shit so as to appear 'different' and 'outside the box'"

It appears he now has formidable competition in the category of cynical individualism

 

To be fair, McCullough did say it, it was to Ian Darke on British TV which is why it may be hard to track down. After the Morales fight when Darke asked for a comparison, Wayne said "Morales hits harder, but Naz is physically stronger".

 

I understand but the quote is a red herring

There is a larger issue here with regard to MWSs ridiculous assertions

 

I'm nothing like mikE.

I don't post a conflicting, unique opinion for the sake of it.

Truth be told, most of my opinions ARE majority opinions. I also generally pick the favourites in fights.

There's really only 2 things I've said recently that seem to go against the grain.

1) Bigger size difference between Pavlik and Martinez than Marquez against Tszyu. Hardly ridiculous considering Pavlik is a huge 6'3 middleweight, Martinez a former welterweight, and Marquez and Tszyu are both 5'6/5'7 with a similar TOTP.

2) Hamed's power is overrated.

People who think Hamed is a monster puncher are being fooled.

Just like Freitas, Hamed built up a huge KO ratio by sparking scrubs or shot fighters, and both of their styles involved putting EVERYTHING into many of their shots, really loading up on a big KO punch. Hamed even more so actually.

And guess what, that shit doesn't work against elite fighters.

Even though they looked like huge punchers against B level opposition, how powerful did they look against Barrera and Corrales?

Not very, and they BOTH landed ample flush shots against guys that can be hurt.

Against Manuel Medina too, Marquez's flush left hooks did more damage than any punches Hamed landed.

Hamed landed his vaunted left hand flush on Barrera several times in the first 6 rounds, and it did nothing.

So although Hamed could punch, it's hardly a stretch to think Marquez hits at least as hard. Marquez has even scored one punch KO's at 135. Hamed scored 1 punch KO's over guys like Vuyani Bungu.

By the way don't jump on the silly "z you're a Pacquiao groupie" bandwagon.

Like my Slice here can tell you, I used to be a big time Pacquiao detractor. I confidently picked Barrera, Morales and of course Oscar over him, as well as thinking Hatton and Cotto would give him tough fights.

I'm not even close to being a Pacquiao nuthugger, I just rightfully think he's one of the best fighters ever.

 

You also picked Miguel Cotto over Winky Wright in a mythical matchup.

 

I was just nausing with picking him head to head.

P4P I think Cotto is better, that's true, but he's a small welterweight, and Winky is a natural 154 pounder.

 

:: Whew