I'm very confident that Floyd beats Pacquiao.

Shane showed, if nothing else, that Pacman's punch output can be reduced by the right tactics.

Also whenever Shane elected to actually jab (as opposed to his usual pawing with the left hand) Pac was bothered by it.

Floyd may win at least 8 rounds in this fight with his movement, jab counterpunching and turning pushing forearm mischief. Pac wont be able to get into a rhythm.

Guys like Cotto, Clottey and Margarito allowed Pac to get into a rhythm with their predictable styles. Get him out of that rhythm, a la Marquez..and Pac looks ordinary,

Floyd, if he's still got it, wins surprisingly easily.

 

Agreed. He has to take the fight soon though. I thought the time had passed but Manny was too befuddled last night.

 

I have always thought Floyd would beat Pacquiao. But it is not going to be an easy night for either guy

 

Hard to say. I see A LOT of close rounds... tough rounds to score. I see Mayweather doing what I like to call the in between stuff (landing when there isn't much going on) but Pacquiao is SO fast, and frankly so good, that I can see him forcing the judges hands in a lot of rounds. Landing the showier stuff.

I'm totally undecided on this fight.

 

Damn, I would have never guessed you, out of all people, pick Floyd. Thanks for creating this clarifying thread

 

:giggle:

I didn't want to disappoint.

 

Sly is like a guy who just got given out to by his female boss, he goes home and beats his wife to reaffirm his manhood.

Mosley quits and gets handled by Pac, Sly starts a "Floyd will beat him" thread.

 

Ah...wasn't because of Shane's spoiling tactics, it was because you, Charles Xavier, were able to see into his mind and detect that he liked Shane and so didn't want ti let his hands go.

 

They touched gloves after a knockdown for fucks sake, don't have to be a mind reader to see what Godfather means.

Anyway, I agree with Steve_Dave's take. Floyd will be mainly effective during lulls in the action, where as Pac will shine when he forces the issue. Last nights fight didn't really prove anything to be honest

 

Plus there is always the chance of Pac landing the KO punch. İf Shane can almost KO Floyd, than Pac can land some bombs aswell.

 

s-t-r-e-t-c-h

 

The legend of May-Mos round 2 grows over time. Floyd was stunned for a moment, legs went rubbery, but was still coherent enough to keep Shane off him and on the defensive himself seconds later.

 

He was badly hurt, but the guy has incredible powers of recovery and the defensive nous to buy himself the few seconds needed to aid that recovery

 

He was badly hurt relative to how much he's been hurt in the past but not badly hurt compared with the rest of hurt fighters in history (and remember he was hit with a crazy overhand right hand with all of Shane's "mustard" on it, when Floyd was in an off balance position). It's all about context. We've never seen Floyd's legs unsteady before and so it was NUTS...but in hindsight Floyd was momentarily stunned but he was no where near close to being stopped.

 

Yea good point Sly, he was badly hurt relative to Floyd. However think about it, if you were doing a round by round and describing the action, and the same thing happened to any other fighter, you wouldn't be stretching it to say they were "badly hurt". I'm obviously not saying he was close to being stopped or anything, because he wasn't, but he was HURT, no question.

Another thing, that second round just goes to show how physically strong Floyd is, which is another thing Manny will have to cope with, the guy must have some strength in his legs to NOT have gone down from that second shot Shane hit him with. Dude is one strong motherfucker.

 

it's hard to pic Pacquaio over Floyd when you watch the fights where Morales and JMM school Pac

 

Yes....Mosley tactic did reduce Pacquiao output...but Mosley's tactic was to throw no punches and move away/turn every time Pacquiao came near...i don't know how Mayweather can win without throwing punches..and exposing that chin of his...

 

:giggle:

 

This fight did nothing to change my mind on Floyd.

Like I said DURING the fight, Manny got suckered into a sparring session.

We'll see a much better, more motivated Manny against Floyd, with yes - a higher workrate.

Floyd can "befuddle" Manny all he wants, but he has to actually THROW and land enough punches to win.

My guess is it's a close fight but Manny lands more punches, is the aggressor, and wins more rounds.

 

Floyd has had problems in the past against southpaws. Judah gave him problems early, Corley was able to hurt him. Pac has trouble with guys that have a good right hand, JMM, Morales, Sanchez even Clottey when he bothered throwing it. Both have styles that give the other guy problems.

 

Very true, which is why I expect a very close fight.

 

agREED...

Shane Didn't even DROP Floyd, so ASSuming he "Almost KO'ed" Floyd is IDIOTIC...



REED:kidcool:

 

you can't be a prisoner of the moment. It's easy to assume Floyd would school Manny because of how sloppy Manny looked last night.

Manny still performed better against Shane than Floyd did. Manny dropped Shane and never came close to being hurt himself.

While Floyd was almost out of there in the second round. I can also assume what Manny would do to Floyd in that situtation.

I think a fight with Floyd and Manny is still a toss up. Everytime either guy fights somebody ese it's just a reminder of how much they have to fight each other already.

I don't know how much Pacquiao's performance had to do with his legs issue he talked about afterwards. But he did look sloppy. But mainly because of Shane.

Manny had to open up and chase him down more to land anything meaningful. It's hard to look good when only one guy wants to fight.

 

Yep...Floyd's Knees DIPPED from that 2nd Shot, yet he WOULDN'T Fall....



REED:mj:

 

It appears Mayweather does not share your confidence.

 

Bold statement.. along the lines of saying "I'm confident the sun will rise tomorrow."

I'm guessing that Floyd would open as at least a 4-1 favorite over Pac if they fought.

 

It's only evening things out. Every time I see Mayweather-De La Hoya mentioned, Mayweather has won it by an ever-growing margin.

 

I think Pac outworks Mayweather en route to a close UD.

Would be a competitive fight but Floyd would be uncomfortable and I don't think he'd be able at this point in his career, to match Pacquiao's intensity and hunger to win. Plus, Manny's own hand speed would keep Floyd on the defensive and reluctant to let his own hands go.

 

That's how I saw the 'fight', and I use the term loosely, too. Manny didn't seem himself at all and all that touching gloves was very, very gay. Last night told me nothing about how Mayweather Jr would fair if he ever grows a pair...

MT