Would you have more respect for Shane if he tried then quit?

Um, no, of course not. But there's a huge difference between a great performance and fighting like a journeyman.

You can try your best to win and still deliver a crap performance. But at least you fucking tried.

Shane basically conned everyone. I don't think most people who paid to see this fight were eagerly awaiting Mosley backpeddling in survival mode for 12 rounds.

 

Yeah I'm not really sure how on earth Ugo thinks Mosley "did his job".

It's not a world class boxer's job to go in there and last the distance and survive, it's to try and win the fight.

Mosley didn't do his job, because at no point did he actually try and win the fight.

If every fighter fought like that, it wouldn't be a sport. Turn up to lose :: Might as well just not fight in the first place.

 

Anyone who paid for the fight is a poor consumer and lost all right to complain

 

Would you prefer to watch Pacman vs Mosley, Pacman vs Clottey, Jones vs Traver 3 or Pacman-Morales 3, Vazquez-Marquez 1 and Ortiz-Maidana?

 

This is completely true. Only way you can justify it is if you paid for the Arce fight.

 

It seems I wasn't Obvious enough of a Captain, since you misunderstood me. I would not think any differently of Mosley if he had made a futile effort of attacking for four rounds and then quit. Got it?

 

Even if he tried his best?

If he gave it all he had for 3 or 4 rounds, then started to get bashed and quit?

He was paid to try and win the fight, it's an elite contest that people pay money to watch, not to accept defeat and just aim to last all 12 rounds.

You just can't say Mosley "did his job" because a boxer's job isn't to purposefully lose the fight, but NOT get KO'd.

If the aim of the game in boxing was to lose as many rounds as possible but not get knocked out, then yes, Mosley did his job.

 

He was paid to be a stepping stone. Did you not watch his last 2 fights

 

I don't see the big difference really. In this case too we have a definitive result that leaves nothing to speculate: Manny totally dominated Mosley who didn't find a way to win nor come close of it. The only thing we did not see was that Pac could have broken some bones from Mosley's face but I can live with that. I understand why you and many others see it differently, but this was about personal opinions

 

Yep sure, and I appreciate your opinion, I guess the only part I think is just wrong is saying Mosley "did his job".

Even if he was widely expected to lose, I still think his job was to try and win, like any boxer, especially a big event like this.

Arce was expected to lose too, and look at the difference. Yes, their opponents were worlds apart, but I bet if little Arce would have been chucked in there with Manny, he still would have tried to win.

 

Purses have been witheld for "Not putting forth ones best effort". This would qualify as not doing your job, to meet Ugo's criteria.Shane certainly did not put forth his best effort, Morales did, he just realised his best effort was not going to be good enough that night and held his hands up to it. Fair play, no shame in that, Erik can hold his head high. Mosley knows, deep down, that he let himself down last night.

 

I don't know if we can ever tell for real if a fighter did his absolute best or not, that's why I don't really go there. Thus, the fact that Shane showed up, fought under the rules and went full rounds without acting his way out or such means that he did his job.

 

Yes that's how a board of control or State Athletic commission would view it and I doubt Shane would have his purse witheld or anything, but from a fans perspective it's clear that he did not give his best effort, whilst Morales did.

 

word.

In his quest to appear clever and unique, UGO can be a difficult prick at times....

 

Right. So when I give my opinion, just as the thread says, it is 'trying to be clever'. I'm sorry if they are not simple enough for you

 

You have to keep in mind, as a defender of all things Klitschko and boring, Ugo has to pretend that he doesn't care when a fighter doesn't try to win.

 

Perhaps you don't get it.

If I were to ask:

Do you prefer to have sex doggy style or Missionary?

The possible answers that I would expect would be:

1. I prefer doggy Style
or
2. I prefer Missionary

The answer I don't want to get is "No difference, both are fun, still sex at the end of the day".

The last answer is the answer of an annoying prick.

 

Perhaps, but if you actually read what the thread asks, it is

Would you have more respect for Shane if he tried then quit?

So the questions seems to call for yes/no answer, right?

So, I respond 'No difference' (followed by reasons), which seems to suggest that my answer is 'no'.

Still too complicated? :bears:

 

Eddie Chambers tried harder than Shane Mosley.

 

I would definitely respect Shane more if he tried and had to quit at some point.

Not trying at all is worst than quitting. An old man quitting against the best fighter in his prime is not a big deal to me. It's understandable.

but not trying and letting one knockdown turn him into a bitch all night was just pathetic. Especially for Shane's standards.

If Shane came in and gave 8-10 solid rounds but just had nothing afterwards people would actually respect his performance as a whole.

My prediction was that at some point Richardson would stop the fight. I don't think Shane even had to quit had he been in real trouble.

Instead Shane plaid it safe and killed the night.

 

Holyfield Said it Best...(Paraphrasing) "People Watch Boxing to See Guys Do Things that They WOULDN'T Do Themselves."...

If REED were in there w/Manny Pac Last Night, REED would've Been in SURVIVAL Mode for the Entire 15-30 Seconds it'd Take Manny to DISPOSE of him...Shane LASTED alot Loooooooooonger than REED Could Ever Dream of, but his "Strategy" was NOfuckingDIFFERENT than what REED Would've Devised...

REED DOESN'T Want to Get Punched in the Face for a Living...REED has NO Desire to Punch Other People in the Face for a Living Either...It's a CHOICE to Become a Professional Fighter, but w/that fREEDom of Choice Comes the Built In RESPONSIBILITY to Actually FIGHT...Shane Made the CONCIOUS Decision to NOT Fight...

Henceforth, REED has NO Desire Whatsoever to See Shane Mosley CONTINUE w/his Boxing Career...He Came Dangerously Close to CONNING the Boxing Public w/Last Night's "Performance"...But Having Been a FAN of Shane's Since the Phillip Holiday Fight, REED is RELUCTANT to "Go There" Completely...REED'll Always Enjoy TAPES of Sugar Shane, but Again, the Desire to Watch Shane CONTINUE w/his Career has EVAPORATED...



REED:blackcloud:

 

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Thankyou. SSM's quit, although much worse, against Pac was not unprecedented. In the 2nd Forrest fight, he did not try to win. He tried to survive & steal it.

 

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you guys act like forrest was setting the world on fire in the rematch with mosley. did anyone actually see that bout?

 

Good post, I feel the same way. You're right, if I had a pro fight against an elite fighter I'd probably just run away like a sissy and cover up etc :: That's not really what you want to see someone else doing.

At one point Mosley was my second favourite fighter behind Morales, so I feel kind of bad for turning my back on him as a fan, but last night kind of reminded me why I went off him a bit in the first place. Once he lost he did change, and although he is not in the same league as Zab in this regard, it has to be said that Mosley is sort of a front runner.

You can cut him some slack because he is 39, but he's nowhere near Roy shot, he's got enough left to try 100 times harder than he did.

 

I watched Shane fight a Ricky Hatton type fight.

 

You can revise history all you want with that fight.

Nobody would ever watch that crap again to make an argument about it.

 

Who would have fought that Antonio Tarver would have saved the show ::

 

Of course I'd have, Mosley ''performance'' was a sham, and it not only stain his legacy, but also stain the sport of boxing as a whole. Fuck Shane and everyone else who defends this travesty. If the Nevada commission had any balls, a serious chunk of Mosley's purse would be taken away as he, in no way or shape, respected the contract he signed.