I'm very confident that Floyd beats Pacquiao.

:atu: :laugh11:

it aint only your gloves that are loaded

 

I think a lot of people underrate Manny's chances against Floyd. So far the only stratgey that has proven to be effective against Manny is punching in combination and taking lots of risks (Morales, Marquez). Mayweather is a pot shot type of guy who is extremely cagey. His style is all about beating his opponent to the punch then going into a shell.
I believe Manny is going to be extremely difficult for Floyd to fight because his style is not like anything Floyd has ever seen before and he may be the first opponent Floyd faces that can beat him to the punch. Manny came from 106lbs and is very fast. I think the fighter that really has Mayweather's number but no one knows it is Antonio Margarito. I know that Shane destroyed Margartio and Floyd dominated Shane but styles make fights. Margarito is just a much bigger and stronger version of Jose Luis Castillo who gave Mayweather all kinds of trouble.

 

Say this fight happens: is either guy in their prime? Past it?

State it now and no backpedalling later.

 

mayweather jr is clearly not in his prime.

 

Pac's Either @ the TAIL END Of or Slightly PAST his Prime...Floyd is CLEARLY PAST his Prime...



REED:hammert:

 

After what we saw of Pac last night.... yes May probably would beat him.. But its all a mute point as long as he keeps avoiding the fight.

 

I've always favored Floyd slightly, but the fight last night didn't really change anything for me.

 

WTF!!!!????? ,...:tick:

 

I'm not sure why it would to be honest. The standard knee jerk reaction.

What's Floyd going to do, come to survive and not get KO'd, but somehow win the decision? ::

 

The guy has a seriously fucking warped view of both Floyd and Pacquiao.

You can bet your boots the odds are close. They'll open with Floyd a SLIGHT favourite, like 4/5 or so, and at the very most he'll be 2 to 1 by fight time, if that.

 

Nah I think it'll be a pick'em.

 

Opening or by fight time, or both?

It kinda depends when the fight happens to be honest, and how Floyd looks in his next fight, assuming that next fight isn't Manny.

 

Yep. I think Floyd opens up as small favorite unless he looks terrible against Ortiz. (assuming that's who he's fighting)

 

First off Mosley has never been a defensive wizard. He's never been known as a guy that has superior defensive skills. That being said defensively he looked pretty good in the ring. He avoided alot of Pac's bombs and actually openings. Not to mention he made Pac look kinda ordinary at times. I think that defensively PBF will have to be on his "A" game for the entire 12 rounds. But like many have said PBF's ring rust/ not being active could cost him the fight. If I were betting my house my money would be on Pac-man . I'll Holla 5000

 

Might as well post this is mythical matchups because Floyd will never fight Pac.

 

Same here. Especially NOW... At this point in their careers...

Pacman is closer to his peak, is more active, is HUNGRIER, and his speed(Hand and foot) and aggression would give Mayweather more problems that he would want in a fight at this point.

And despite the usual tough talk from PBF, I think he knows that this fight is just too much of a risk for him now and if you really get down to it, he would rather retire with his 0 intact than take a fight with Pacquiao.

I've long felt now that the fight will NOT happen. And I still feel that way. Mayweather won't come to the table and if he does, he'll make ridiculous demands to get out of the fight like he did the first time.

 

NOW it's Floyd's fault but previously Arum wanted to just have house fights with Manny.

 

Floyd would probably win, but he's being a bitch. Of course, he's not the only one to blame here. Arum wants to milk Pacquiao and make easy money and Pacquiao is allowing it to happen.

And Floyd is also allowing it to happen. He probably figures Pacquiao will decline quicker than him since he's the type to take more punishment so he'd rather wait.

Fuck Floyd, Fuck Arum, and Fuck Manny for all this shit.

I'm going to work out and then watch porn to feel better about this.

 

Mythical Matchups are for fights that simply CANNOT happen. Theoretically this fight could still happen.

 

Funny enough i think PBF would try to make the fight and then retire. Floyd likes to challenge himself...despite would people say. His career proves this.

 

Not lately.

 

True. He's been inactive and playing the fool in Vegas instead of showing why he was called the best fighter in the world for so long. If he doesn't try to make this fight with manny it will be an eternal stain on his career.

 

When Floyd was coming up yeah he would challenge himself.

But the past few years its been nothing but safe fights really.

 

I wouldn't say De La Hoya, Hatton or Mosley were safe fights (and Judah and Baldomir were relevant fights for him), but i hear what you're saying overall. For me the criticism with Floyd isn't so much on who he fought...it's his extended and frequent periods of inactivity over the last few years.

 

Oscar was a chance he took. Judah as well at that time. Baldomir's size was the only thing that made that fight somewhat interesting but everyone really knew he was too slow and unskilled. Not so much Hatton for me. I knew Floyd would beat his ass badly and the fight with Collazo served as all evidence I needed for that. I don't know about Mosley honestly. I thought he was legitimate then I saw the Mora fight and I wasn't so sure.

A fighter like Floyd who depends on reflexes and timing does need to be more active. This fighting only once every 1.5-2 years won't get it vs the top guys.

 

Mosley at the time, in his previous fight, looked like a killer vs Margarito. So he was a legitimate challenge. Margarito has a steel chin (ask Cotto, Cintron and Pacquiao) and Shane dropped him like a bad habit. Now Shane had a period of inactivity after that fight but still, you're as good as your last fight until proven otherwise. So Floyd did indeed take on a challenge at that time. Hatton was undefeated in over 40 fights with names like Castillo and Tzsyu on his list of KO victims and so was a legit challenge.


But yes...Floyd's inactivity will hurt him in th ering and out of the ring in terms of his legacy.

 

Problem with this scenario is that when Pacquiao fights, there's very few "lulls" in the action. And this is one of his major strengths - his ability to fight 3 minutes of every round.

People talk about Mosley's tactics compromising Pacquiao's performance, but how about the fact that Mosley looked like absolute garbage in there and couldn't land a single clean punch to save his life?

You think PBF's ability to get off, and to set up his punches wouldn't be severely hindered by Pacquiao's pressure, speed, combos and angles? Not to mention his defense, which served him very well against Mosley (not a mark on him by the end of the fight).

PBF won't ever take this fight because he's smart enough to see that it's one he probably wouldn't be able to win.

 

Have you ever seen marquez' two fights with Pacquiao? People need to remember these fights whenever they want to right off Floyd's chances.

Truthfully...Floyd may actually win very easily indeed.

 

We will never know though Sly, and it pisses me off.

 

It's naive to even consider those fights. First of all, Marquez is a much different fighter, with a much different style than PBF, and P4P, much better power and combination punching. And I'd even say he's a better counter-puncher than PBF.

Next, the notion that today's version of Pacquiao has anything more than a negligible amount of the short-comings that he did as a featherweight is plain idiotic.

And to conclude, I've not written off PBF's chances. For the most part, he's handled the competition he has faced with ease, and if obviously a brilliant fighter. But the fact is, at least it's my belief, is that he sees something in Pacquiao that he fears in his heart, and for this reason he will not fight him, at least not in time for the match-up or its result to be meaningful or relevant.

My hope is that PBF ends up broke and destitude by the time he's 40, reaches out to Pacquiao at this point to make the fight, and Pacquiao tells him to get lost. That'd be an ironic and poetic result to PBF's current stalling and unsportsmanlike refusal to get in the ring with his biggest rival and give the fans the fight they've all been waiting for.