Jake Shields vs Nick Diaz who wins ?

Who takes it ?

 

You mean Shields takes him down and holds him for 5 rounds.

 

I pick Shields via decision. There's not much chance of him submitting Diaz. Hell, he couldn't submit lesser ground players like Henderson, Miller and Kampmann despite having the backs of each of them on more than one occasion.

I think Diaz makes it interesting but ultimately he just won't be able to stop Shields from taking him down. But the idea of Jake stopping Diaz in any manner is far fetched in my opinion.

 

Nah Diaz takes a UD. Easily wins the stand up battles and holds his own against Shields ground game / dry humping.

 

Everyone has better wrestling than Diaz, but his BJJ is way better than Hendo's or Mayhem.

 

Keep in mind Mayhem was a second or two away from submitting Shields.

 

Shields also knew the rounds was about over and didn't really even try to defend.

 

So you're saying he could have defended and said nah no point round is almost over. Makes more sense to let him almost choke me out and make me look weak and create an argument that I almost lost ??..umm yaaaaaaa

 

Well, then we just have to disagree.

Nick has more than a handful of submissions off his back. Hendo's wrestling might be better but his ground game overall (sweeps, subs, position) pales in comparison to Diaz.

As far as defending subs goes, which is the real point of this debate, Hendo and Miller aren't even in the same ballpark. Miller and Henderson have both lost via submission. Diaz has never been close to being subbed.

You're kind of sounding like a newbie that hasn't seen much of Nick's ground game. Go back and watch his grapple fest with Karo and Sanchez. The dude is a worm.

Again, Shields had Henderson mounted several time and had his back a few more times and couldn't submit him. He had Miller's back and a pretty good shot at an RNC and couldn't finish.

I think Jake has a decent shot of submitting anyone at 170 pounds that he gets to the ground. Of all the current MMA 170 pounders, Diaz would the 2 or 3 most difficult for him to pull it off against once on the ground.

 

Shields had a wrestling and BJJ edge over Hendo, Miller and Kampmann and couldn't sub any of them despite having several dominant positions.

And Diaz has a BJJ back game that is on a different planet than any of those three. There is NO comparison.

 

These guys will never ever fight eachother so we can all sit here and make all the crazy predictions or claims we want and nobody will ever be proven right or wrong. Take it to mythical match ups!!!

 

I completely disagree, It was 100% wrestling that Shields used to beat Hendo.

 

Right now Jake Shields is a better MMA wrestler than Hendo or Miller. I don't know anyone other than you that would question that.

And by the way, aside from the close RNC at the end of the round, Shields dominated Miller with wrestling and BJJ.

In the Henderson fight, trust me, the repeated double and single leg take downs aren't a BJJ move. You should know that.

 

Dude, you're just wrong. If not for Shields using better wrestling to constantly take Henderson down, there is no way he wins the fight. It's just that simple.

All the BJJ and guard passing in the world doesn't mean shit if his superior wrestling didn't get it to the ground.

 

:::: OK if you want to call Jake's double and single let shots 'BJJ' then then this was a nice discussion that can end now.

 

There's no question that Shields used at least 75% wrestling to beat Henderson. Yes, his wrestling is better than Hendo's.

Also I think Nick beats Shields. Just a better, more well rounded MMA fighter.

 

What's ridiculous is thinking Hendo is a better wrestler than Shields, when Shields clearly outwrestled him ::

I hate Shields by the way, and like Hendo, but facts are facts, Shields is a better wrestler and outwrestled Dan.

 

It's not just whatever I say, it's what 90% of MMA fans say. Probably MMA fighters too would agree that Shields outwrestled him and has better wrestling.