The equally dreaded "Floyd vs Pac - who wins?" poll

Pretty surprised the poll is 2 to 1 Floyd.

IMO this is close to a pick em fight, I bet the odds open close to 50/50 if the fight does happen too.

I favour Manny by fairly close decision. I think he's just a better fighter than Floyd.

Could Floyd's defense shut down Manny's game to some extent? Sure it could, but you best believe Manny's offense could shut down Floyd's game to some extent too.

To win the fight Floyd is going to have to do more than back peddle shoulder roll, and I just think with his faster hands, extra mobility, better combos, bigger balls, Manny would land more punches and win a close decision in a boring fight.

I doubt the fight happens though to be honest.

 

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Margarito doesn't seem to be mentioned.....:scratcher:

 

That was before he fought Judah, who was coming off a loss by the way for those of you who say Floyd always fights guys coming off wins.

He was offered the Margarito fight after Judah.

Damn it, just stop suckering me back in here asshole.

 

And yet Kenny and the boxing media was hounding him to fight Baldomir, the "true Welterweight champion".

He made Baldomir look like a clown and now all of a sudden he should've fought some nobody, a cheat and a bum Antonio Margarito.

Yeah right.

 

Trust me bro, I have heard this same stuff over and over. I know how you guys are and I know exactly how you're going to respond to everything I have posted.

Now I'm done.

 

Pac might rock Floyd once (to which Hex will say "MAN! IF PAC WAS IN HIS PRIME HE WOULD K FLOYD T F O!!!!!") but he'd lose an 8-4 decision.

 

:giggle:

 

:::Thumbs:

 

i'm suprised anyone thinks Pac would win..

too bad Pac is a cheating druggie who wont test

 

This. He actually weighed in at 146 iirc, I think 144 lb was the catchweight. Floyd hates having to dry out (part of why he's at welter to begin with) and 600k was nothing out of Floyd's total purse for the fight.

He signed to fight Judah before Judah had lost to Baldomir. Remember?

 

Too bad Pac has never beaten JMM decisively.

Margarito and Cotto remarkable? Should I pick at the fact they were horribly weight drained per Pac's BS stipulations, or the more important and obvious fact that they were washed up fighters who were shells of themselves.

Clottey..

As for Hatton, Floyd brutally KO'd him. Pac destroying a guy who had already been destroyed a mild achievement at best.

 

:shit:

 

I dont understand why Flomos defend PBF. Its clear as day we dosent want to fight Manny Pac. Clearly he is trying to preserve his undefeated record. If he had any confidence that he could beat Manny Pac, this fight would have been made a long time ago.

 

One thing is 100% certain.

If the fight does happen and Manny wins it's because Floyd is past his prime.

May as well just get that out of the way now.

 

True.

That'll certainly be my position. :giggle:

 

It won't have to be your position. Mayweather will be able to flat out prove it should he do something like land a jab.

 

Seriously though, it woul ddepend on how Floyd fights as opposed to the end result for me.

If Floyd is doing his usual thing, and countering fast and hard and moving his upperbody at the same rate...then if Pac wins I'd offer no excuses.

 

:giggle:

 

most guys are at their peak when they have had two fights in four years, 16 years after they debuted as a professional.

 

Exactly. Floyd should just take the fight and make huge money.

Losing won't affect his legacy because everybody knows he would have shooled Manny in his prime. Also legacy doesn't pay bills anyway.

There's no possible downside for Floyd.

 

Floyd should take the fight. Manny deserves no credit for beating Marquez at 145 and if he loses that will only make PBF's victory over Marquez even better.

 

Its all about that 0.

Floyd just doesn't wanna lose that.

 

Manny should sign to fight him @ 140 but ignore that and pay him some extra money after he weighs in heavier because hey, what does it matter?

 

:sream:

 

While I think the Pac/Mosley fight was not some sort of startling revelation, I think many here are minimizing what happened a bit too much as it pertains to Pac/Floyd.

Mosley did not run from Manny - he generally stayed in the middle of the ring, and although he did not engage much at all, he more or less held his position for the vast majority of the fight. He made 12 rounds and really only got hurt once. Shane did this by using the jab, keeping his distance, and simply turning Manny when Manny charged in. It was all defense for Shane, because Shane can no longer switch from defense to offense fast enough to counter, plus he is far past his prime, far slower than he used to be, and was never very fluid anyway in terms of integrating offense/defense.

But Floyd is.

In fact, one of Floyd's biggest strengths now that his speed is waning is his exceptional defense and exceptional ability to become offensive seamlessly from out of his defense.

What Mosley showed is that by maintaining distance and turning Manny, you can heavily neutralize his offensive style and output. Heavily. The question is, of course, who out there can take advantage of this knowledge? Who is good enough, or has the right style, to both keep Manny turning and also pick him apart with counters? Unfortunately for everyone, that fits PBF to a "T".

This is why I slightly favor Floyd in the matchup. Maybe a 60/40 type of thing. On Pac's end, he is not going to stop just because he is frustrated, and thus he will continue to push Floyd all fight. He will threaten to outwork Floyd even if he isn't landing much, and that will force Floyd to come out of the comfort zone a bit, or risk dropping rounds. Pac also showed near the end of the Mosley fight that he CAN punch even when being turned, and he did start to throw some punches like he used to years ago, from bizarre angles that you would not expect him to be able to do. Mosley narrowly dodged a lot of counters from Manny, and one has to think that Floyd (who is slightly smaller then Shane) may get tagged by these counters regardless of whether or not he is trying to spin away from Pac. So Manny may be able to adapt to some extent even if Floyd does try to employ this strategy.

Floyd also has a habit of allowing opponents to back him up, and get him on the ropes, as he is so overly confident in his defensive abilities. So unlike Shane, Floyd may well allow Pac these linear attacks that he is so adept at. And I think Pac can certainly catch Floyd at this point in their respective careers. I see a Floyd KO of Manny as being extremely unlikely, but I see a Pac KO of Floyd as more realistic. That must be factored in as well. In the end, it is still close to a pick 'em for me, with Floyd getting the slight nod as favorite.

BTW - If I were Freddie "the peddler" Roach, and there was any talk at all of getting Floyd in the ring, I would watch some tape and work on how to deal with the type of obstacles Shane presented defensively. Manny is so good that he is capable of fighting many different types of fights if he has to; I would prepare for the likelihood that Floyd (rightly or wrongly) will be emboldened by what he surely saw in Pac/Mosley.

 

I used to think Floyd without hesitation but not anymore... you can't fight once every year and a half against hand-picked opponents and stay sharp enough to deal with a guy like Pac

 

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