Snapshot as of today: RANK'EM in terms of greatness!!!

Jones, De La Hoya, Hopkins, Pacquiao, "Money" Mayweather

Have at it.

 

Pacquiao
Jones
Hopkins
Mayweather
De La Hoya

If Floyd were to beat Manny i'd move him up at least one spot.

 

Pacquiao

Jones

Hopkins

DLH

Mayweather


***if Mayweather beat Pacquiao who would move to #2 right behind the man he defeated...

 

Pacquiao
Mayweather
Hopkins
Jones
De La Hoya


IMO...post-Ruiz Jones' career has effected his legacy. He was knocked out three times and fought to just survive at least twice. Perhaps in time I may look back upon his career more kindly and relegate the post-ruiz atrocities to the same place that I place Louis' post-Walcott career....

** If Mayweather were to beat Manny, he'd move to NUMERO UNO!

 

No

 

Pacquiao
Hopkins
Jones
Mayweather
de la Hoya

 

:bears:

 

There's no need to rank Terry Norris. His spot at the top is already implied. Unless it's a list ranking all of the Norrisseses... and even then Terry v. Chuck is still open to debate

 

This is true but every once in a while people need to be reminded.

 

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jones is 1 and 1 with hopkins, who beat dlh, who lost to mayweather and pac and mosley (twice), who lost to mayweather and pac, therefore jones is number 1

my logic is irrefutable

 

jones jr was the best guy i have seen out of the aforementioned.

 

Jones
Daylight
Do the rest yourself.

 

Pacquiao & then all the rest.

 

Most talented for sure. It's not even a contest.

P4P the best? Possibly, that's open to debate.

In terms of accomplishments, weight classes, resume, pure performance; Pacquiao is clearly in the lead.

 

Pacquiao
Jones
Hopkins
Mayweather
De La Hoya

Bottom 2 (maybe even bottom 3), very close/ interchangeable.

 

DLh is 5 and I think Hops is probably 4, but from there, Id really have to think about this one

 

Laughing at the idea of Jones securing a higher place historically than Pacquiao ::

 

delahoya really doesnt belong in this discussion

 

Things might look differently in that regard if either Jones or Mayweather had the fortitude to take the match-making risks De La Hoya did, but they didn't.

De La Hoya's far more ambitious efforts are not lost on me.

 

guys were a whole lot more willing to face the less talented delahoya for a much larger paycheck than either Jones Jr or Mayweather Jr at their respective fighting peaks

 

Pacquiao
Jones
Mayweather
Hopkins
De La Hoya


I'm not really sure how I'd rate them if Mayweather-Pacquiao never materializes (or does when it's not relevant).

For instance, I rate Mayweather higher right now than Hopkins (who seems to get more of a pass for selective matchmaking because of his age, while Manny and Floyd get crucified for it). I don't think either Pacquiao and Mayweather are totally blameless, but I put more on Floyd who is acting like a scared bitch of the smaller "amateur" Pacquiao.

If they never fight, do we go by what they already achieved? Or should they drop significantly (especially Floyd) because they don't fight?

 

Mayweather could have help himself a bit by fighting the last the last 4 fighters in Pacquiao resume..in 2006-2009......but there was always some excuse NOT to fight them....

Had Mayweather faced Cotto, Margarito, Clottey and Williams back in 2007 who rank highter all time Pac or Mayweather would not be a debate...

 

Williams, Margarito and Winky had no problem facing Mayweather......it was Floyd who had the excuses...

 

funny you bring up those names. Delahoya certainly didnt face any black southpaws after whitaker. let alone guys with very little marketability

 

Pacquiao
Hopkins
Mayweather
Jones





De La Hoya.

 

One of Mayweather's many excuses....


Those names a mention are TOP fighters that had NO PROBLEM fighting Mayweather at his PEAK...

We can use that excuse for Roy Jones...who really had nobody to fight...and the one guy he could have fought Dariusz MichalSHITsky was to scared to fight him..

 

Explain?

In the last six years Hopkins fought Taylor (2x), Pavlik, Winky, Tarver, Calzaghe and soon Pascal (2x). That´s a nice resume regardless of age and only missing Dawson, if you closely follow the timeline of his move from 160 to 175. He only fought two bums in six years: Ornelas and Roy Jones. :scared2:

 

In P4P terms:

Floyd
Jones Jr
Pacquiao
Hopkins
DLH

In terms of overall accomplishments thus far:

Hopkins
Pacquiao
DLH
Jones Jr
Floyd

 

I noticed you stopped short of saying that was the actual reason several big fights didnt materialise. Will you now? I dont think you will, not with a straight face.