Pettis Vs Maynard/Edgar

Fuck Aoki bro he doesn't deserve to be on any 155 list. Little fag

 

Mike, you say you don't understand why we think UFC 155'ers would roll the WEC 155'ers. I truly can't even begin to understand most of your points. You put Pettis on this level above everyone yet he has accomplished really nothing in MMA. His best win is Ben Henderson. Then you say BJ Penn is overrated. A guy who has a resume of Who's Who of some all time greats in MMA. BJ has been a staple of every P4P list for the past 5 years. I really don't get where you are coming from.

 

i honestly have nothing to say anymore

All of my points are pretty much worthless

Im the only person on this forum who thinks the WEC guys are legit. Nothing i say matter unless the fights are fought cause these guys dont even get the benefit of the doubt

I think a lot differently then most of you guys do about a lot of these fighters.

 

There is a huge gap between Legit and beating Edgar or Maynard. I never said Pettis and Henderson are worthless. Far from it. They are both talented fighters and completely legit. I just want to see them beat some well-known, ranked opponents before crowning them the best at 155 as you have.

Plus when you tear down Penn's resume and heap praise upon Pettis, that's difficult to justify.

 

It was difficult to find a spot for him. I personally am not sure he belongs to be in the top 20. However, I'll admit I get pursuaded by MMA publications that actually still have in the top 5-10 lightweights in the world.

Here are MMA Weekly's LW Rankings as of this morning:

1. Frankie Edgar
2. Gilbert Melendez
3. Gray Maynard
4. Shinya Aoki
5. Eddie Alvarez
6. Tatsuya Kawajiri
7. Jim Miller
8. Kenny Florian
9. George Sotiropoulos
10. Anthony Pettis


I just don't get it with Aoki.

 

Im not tearing down his resume

BJ penn and the people he beat are names for the time those guys were relevant. MMA has evolved to a state where BJ and the guys he beat couldnt compete right now

Thats all im saying. The rapid evolution of MMA has made it so BJ and the guys he beat arent top guys in todays game

Which is why i was saying that i think a lot differently of these guys then most of you do.

 

where the hell is the punk?

 

Obviously the tone of my post was jokey, but honestly I think Pettis is at least even money with either Edgar or Maynard, neither of whom are exceptional.

Maynard is like Sonnen, solid and effective but dull and unspectacular.

Edgar is a pretty good fighter, but I think Pettis is faster, stronger, a beter striker, and not too bad on the ground.

I think Benderson Henderson and Pettis are both pretty legit, they are being underrated here.

If it was Aldo that beat Henderson clearly, and fucked him up with the matrix kick, everyone would be all over his nuts.

 

By the way I understand exactly where Mike is coming from.

MMA has evolved RAPIDLY from the days of dead weight punches like Chuck's having success on world level.

He's saying that although more unproven, Bendo and Pettis are part of a new breed of MMA, who are better than the kind of guys Penn would have been beating in his prime etc.

They are a decade newer than the old school guys, and in MMA, a decade is half the sport's history.

 

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Such a Chuck hater....:nana:

 

That was a typo, it's supposed to say Dead Weight Retard Punches ::

Oh and yes and no TLC. Chuck is scrubby as fuck yes, but in a way you can't help but admire the success he's achieved with the punching technique of a 9 year old lesbian.

 

Yes, you basically summarized what ive been trying to say
If it didnt come across like that i apologize

But this is what ive meant

 

MMA has evolved. There is no question. But to put BJ Penn in the same category as Liddell in terms of the game passing him by is ridiculous. And how Edgar and Maynard can be consider old school MMA fighters is way beyond my comprehension.

Penn has always been one of the better strikers in MMA. On top of that, his BJJ is as good as it gets in MMA. His take down defense at 155 is amazing. His skills may be slipping due to age, but his prime game would still be as good as anyone in the world at 155 in today's MMA.

Mike is trying to make it sound like Henderson and Pettis are some evolved, new breed of MMA fighters that are ahead of Edgar, Maynard and Penn.

Let's be honest for those that follow MMA. Pettis trains with Duke Roufus. Roufus is a kickboxing legend and top notch Muay Thai trainer. But the fighters at Roufusport Academy like Mitrione, Pat Barry, Stephan Bonnar and Alan Belcher aren't these evolved, next generation MMA fighters. They simply aren't.

And as I said before, you can claim that the guys on Penn's resume are old school fighters that couldn't hang in today's MMA world, but I would still pick Sanchez or Florian over any of the LW's coming from the WEC.

I think GF or Jarhead made the point earlier. If Pettis, Henderson, Cerrone or any WEC LW were world beaters, they would have already been on the UFC's roster.

 

Im not trying to say anyone is some type of new fighter at all man. Now youre just putting words in my mouth.

Look at todays ufc champs. All of them are extremely well rounded in all areas. The guys before them werent like that at all, the majority of the people you mentioned on BJs resume lacked badly in some area

For example, for his time hughes is one of the greatest WW's of all time. Can he compete now? No he cant strike worth a lick. Even a "prime" hughes would have trouble with the guys that are there now a days because hes so one dimensional

GSP beating the shit out of him, has nothing to do with hughes being old or anything, its just a sign of the times changing man.

Edgar isnt some great fighter, hes just a more well rounded and evolved fighter now then BJ penn is. And thats why im saying these WEC guys cane compete with the UFC guys.

Like i said with a win over penn you just assume cause of the name edgar did something amazing by beating him. But again, its just a sign of things changing, nothing more nothing less.

And i didnt say the WEC guys are world beaters, I feel they can compete because your holding these guys up too highly

 

:giggle:

Chuck pretty much always got outstruck unless he was fighting guys like Randleman. He just won because he always knocked guys out with one punch.

 

This true.....he seemed to have 10x the power of the mediocre strikers he was fighting

I remember his war with vernon white

 

I'm not sure if Neighbormike even post here anymore, but I figured I'd dig this thread out since Pettis just lost in his first UFC fight against a middle of the pack Clay Guida.

Pettis will be fun to watch, but ranking him with Edgar and Maynard was silly.

 

I still think Pettis could beat either in a 5 round fight.

 

LOL... He just lost 3 rounds to Guida.....

Nevermind, I'm not getting into this again.

 

Guida had a good night, plus 3 rounds helps wrestlers big time. Ask Chael Sonnen.

 

Please Sonnen has never met a submission he didn't want to tap to. Maynard and especially Edgar are different.

Plus both are easily better fighters than Guida.

All that said, Pettis doesn't deserved to be ranked anywhere near the top 5 in the division world wide. Probably borderline top 10.

 

Yeah but Maynard and especially Edgar can be knocked clean out. Doesn't have to be a triangle choke.

Chael Sonnen just has a granite chin..

 

Yeah because both Edgar and Maynard have a history of being knocked out... Oh wait, that's wrong. Neither guy has been knocked out. In fact, they have 1 loss between them in 25 fights and it was a decision to the other guy.

Or is it because Pettis has a history of being a devastating striker? Oh wait, that can't be it either. He has one single KO win in 7 combined UFC and WEC fights.

Pettis now has loses within 2 years to Guida and Palaszewski yet people rank him next to Maynard, Edgar, etc.

It's amazing how one highlight kick makes everyone lose their minds.

 

Maynard knocked HIMSELF out for God's sake.

And Edgar was all BUT knocked out from Gray Maynard of all people who has two knockouts in his entire career. Both guys can definitely be hurt and knocked out. No questions asked.

As for Pettis, it'd go a long way to actually watch the dude fight. He has fantastic explosive striking and he's showed it in the majority of his fights...even if the end result was a choke or whatever.

He got ripped off against Bart anyway.

 

Yeah, my problem is that I've seen every Pettis fight since he started in the WEC. I watched him fight on even terms with Palaszewski and Shane Roller. Bart got the win and Roller got submitted due to exhaustion.

I also know that Pettis has one remotely ranked name on his resume in Ben Henderson.

Again, one crazy kick against Henderson and normally sane people lose their minds.

Oh well, Pettis failed in his first UFC test. He had a shot against a marginal top 10 guy in Guida and LOST EVERY ROUND CLEARLY.

And let's be honest, Guida is a glorified gatekeeper.

 

The other funny thing is that Guida was beaten by two guys that TLC called "Scrubs" in Huerta and Griffin.

So based on TLC's rationale, Pettis isn't even good enough to be considered a scrub.

Hilarious.

 

That's not at all a logical thread. Guida's obviously improved his submission defense which had previously lost him a ton of fights. Otherwise Pettis would've choked him out.

 

Or maybe the caliber of opponent has been lesser.

He was choked out two years ago by Florian and hasn't fought anyone even on THAT level since.

Guida has improved but not that much. If Florian had his back like Pettis did tonight, he would have finished the fight.

Pettis just isn't as good as Guida who isn't as good as Florian.

 

Or maybe he has gotten better. Maybe his style of fighting has radically changed since joining a new camp. Maybe he's a lot more polished and disciplined.

Hating on fighters using backward, simplistic logic is stale these days.

 

Well, I love the work Greg Jackson does with guys and I absolutely love Guida's motor so I won't argue any further. I hope you're right and Guida now has the skill and game planning to go along with his motor.