Mayweather Jr. vs Ortiz September 17

Cotto doesn't look no where near as good physically or mentally as he did pre Margarito.

 

I think several people already have refuted your piss poor biased as hell posts. I guess that Brian Kenny interview where he was practically begging Floyd to fight Margarito never happened either?

Did I miss where you refuted the fact that Floyd fought Baldomir for $1 dollar more than the offer he had to fight Margarito? Yet he didn't avoid Margarito?

 

So you would have fought Margarito instead of De la Hoya.

 

Cotto looked very good in the early going of the Pac fight. He would've defeated any of the other welterweights that night not named Manny or (possibly) Floyd.

 

Are you retarded? Is Oscar's last name Baldomir?

 

Zab Judah looked really good early in Floyds fight but Floyd won't get any credit for fighting him.

 

Aren't you paying attention?

Margarito was IRRELEVANT at that time: just had a WBO title and a win over cintron. Margarito was just scrambling and craving for attention!!! Why wouldn't Floyd instead make a fight with the holder of the belts who also happened to be the linear champion? Think dude, think!!

 

Wow, I give up.

Floyd could get a 65 million dollar offer to fight Pac, turn it down and fight Ortiz instead for 40 million and you would still praise him. Oh wait...

There is no reasoning with you. You should expect more from the guy you cheer for.

 

How about Manny turning down a fight with Floyd to fight Clottey or saying Marquez wants too much money to fight Shane.

 

Margarito was ranked #1 by the Ring at 147 from 06-07

 

Not at all.

Little history lesson for you.

The 8 million offer came with a brand new contract from Top Rank. Floyd wanted to fight Oscar. Oscar didn't want to do business with Top Rank and Arum. Floyd buys out of his Top Rank contract. Fights Baldomir followed by De la Hoya. If Floyd fights Margarito no De la Hoya fight. It's not that complicated.

 

Who did Floyd fight at welterweight that makes him the best welterweight?

 

Yet during that time didn't fight Marorga, Mosley, Forrest, Williams........

 

Shane Mosley is his best win at 147.

Zab
Shamba Mitchell
JMM
Hatton
Baldomir

 

Neither did Floyd, what kind of double standard is this?

 

Yet only Floyd gets criticism for it.

 

I would absolutely agree that in the recent years Pacquiao's resume has eclipsed Mayweather's, certainly at 147. But it is folly to suggest Floyd hasn't fought anyone. He defeated DLH and Hatton before Pac and those are the exact same two fighters that propelled Pacquiao to near mythical status amongst the boxing public.

It's wonderful for you to "give me" Shane Mosley while at the same time never failing to mention how old and apparently useless he was at the time.... but there is no putting down Pacquiao's opponents! Margarito, saem guy that lost to Mosley and was also coming off a suspension for attempting to load his gloves and casting the very likely impression that he loaded his gloves for his best wins in the past.

Clottey i am not even going to respond to.

Cotto... ok, "i'll give you" Cotto, despite the beating he took from likely plaster-filled gloves vs. Margarito, i don't think that makes any difference Pacquiao beats him regardless (maybe just not as violently). And definitely Pacquiao has outdone Floyd recently in terms of quality of opposition.

But this assertion that Floyd hasn't fought anyone is nonsense. he bested the two guys that pacquiao started his whole rep against.... before pacquiao beat them.

 

Floyd is at worst #2 p4p right now. He should be held to a higher standard.

 

Will Floyd demand WADA testing for Ortiz?

 

Clottey was a good fighter and highly ranked at the time. Let's be honest here. He beat up Zab, the second best win of Mayweather's 147 resume.

 

When Zab was going through the worst stage of his professional career.

Not to mention when Pacquiao beat Clottey he was coming off a loss.

 

Very solid fighter who also gave Cotto hell prior to fighting Pacquiao. But I strongly disagree with anyone using him as an example of some amazing fighter that Mayweather ducked and Pacquiao bravely took on. He was a throw in opponent after the first Mayweather-Pacquiao fight broke down. A worthy contender certainly.

I also am completely taken aback with how people are not giving any due credit to Mayweather's win over Hatton now. Now the rhetoric is that Floyd ducked PW and Clottey and instead fought Hatton this soft touch. It's ridiculous.

 

Hatton was a soft touch by the time Pac got to fighting him. If Hatton was a soft touch when Floyd fought him then he was a fucking kitten-soft touch by the time Pac got to fighting him.

 

But I don't like to undermine their wins. I think that is certainly true, but the cold hard facts are that Mayweather fought Hatton when most of the boxing public was clamoring for it (P4P, both undefeated, etc) and Floyd took him on and won. But now people are so quick to say Hatton was overrated and Floyd ducked welterweights to fight hatton and the win was worthless and it is flatout ridiculous. at the same time singing pac's praises for his 2nd round KO over the same opponent no less

 

That just proves where Zab was never a great WW, even if he did beat Spinks. He lost to all the best guys he fought at WW. It's not like they were bums.

Clottey was coming off a SD loss to another top WW in Cotto. So what? When the best guys in the division fight, someone loses. It's not like a loss just turns a guy into a bum.

 

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen anybody in this thread talk about Pac's win over Hatton except for you. This victory does not add to Pacs resume at 147 because it happened at 140.

I have, however, seen you twice now say that Pac obtained his superstar status by defeating DLH and Hatton. I'd strongly disagree with that. His superstar status was in full swing after he beat Barrera twice, Morales twice, and Marquez and before he ever even entered into the higher weights.

 

You don't think so? I thought he jumped to another level after the DLH win, then cemented his place there after the emphatic Hatton win. Certainly those two wins were how Pac obtained his superstar status as it relates to Floyd Mayweather. Floyd was still top dog until Pacquiao came along and obliterated his leftovers.

 

His position and legacy have certainly risen with each victory, but he had already "arrived" and was a superstar before he ever climbed into the ring with DLH.

I also take issue with the term "leftovers" as it pertains to Floyds opponents. It makes it sound like Floyd gave these guys some sort of beating that had them in ruins by the time Pac fought them. Floyd got a split decision over an old DLH in which neither guy took any punishment and it took Floyd, what, 10 rounds to get Hatton out of there and up unitl the knockout, it sure didn't seem like Hatton was taking some sort of "he'll never be the same" kind of beating in that fight.

 

forgive the term, i take it back. "until pacquiao came along and obliterated the foes that Mayweather had already conquered."

 

Damien, illuminati and others..I already decisively dealt with the myth of Floyd ducking Cotto, Margarito and Williams at 147lbs. The Cotto and Williams positions, in particular, are ludicrous. And Margarito, at the time, was not as important a fight as either Judah or Baldomir.