Most cowardly aggressive fighter of all-time?

His kids sure ain't gonna respect him once they've grown up and discovered what their old man was all about. Sh*tting away tens of millions and then blaming the white man for his troubles. LOL @ the thought of Tyson doing well for himself! What the hell is Xplosive on about?

 

In terms of boxing it isnt much of a discussion. Mike was 5 light years ahead of a bum ass Gatti as a fighter.

 

Norton was not a coward.

 

Gatti got beat up by Robinson in the first fight and still tried to win the rematch. Shane held for 12 rounds straight against Forrest in the rematch.

 

Look at how easily Shane gives up once he gets hurt. Gatti fought through much tougher situations than blisters on his foot ::

 

Gatti would get hit with flush power shots, usually around 60% of what his opponent would throw. It's amazing he wasn't violently KO'd only TKO'd.

 

Mayweather is extremely tough as well he just doesn't show it much because of his defensive skill

 

My guess is we simply have different interpretations of what John Ruiz did and why. You see a brave man fighting aggressively - I see a witless idiot with an inclination to do nothing except bore in with his head and tie his man up so he can have the safety and the rest that accompanies the referee's break. And with his head in his opponent's chest, and his arms wrapped all over him (having thrown a single perfunctory punch on his way in), his utter lack of skill cannot be exposed.

 

but that is also a matter of being physiologically impervious... like Juan LaPorte, for example

he's one of my faves, but there were numerous occassions where he simply stopped throwing because he would get frustrated and start trying to land one perfect punch... you couldn't even buzz that guy, but that lack of urgency and psycholigical resolve is a definite knock on his toughness

Mental, emotional toughness can be even more potent than physiological toughness

 

agree that Norton's problem was that he over-anticipated the power, but he didn't lack bravery at all... he didn't just fold up when he got hit hard

 

Ruiz was a coward. He cheated by clutching at his opponents, because he was afraid of getting Tua'd again.

 

In many cases yeah, but look at Ali. He was one of the toughest guys in the history of the sport and certainly was no punching bag.

 

Yep. Against Foreman, Norton held his own in the first round and also into the second until got hurt. It's not like the opening bell rang and he just fell apart as soon as Foreman came at him. His game plan was to try to get out of the early rounds and then drag Foreman into the later rounds. It was a solid plan, but Foreman just didn't allow him to execute it. And when he was knocked down, he got up each time. It wasn't like he pulled a Bruce Seldon vs Tyson.

 

He wasn't a 'coward' but he let fear effect his performances, so can be brought up in the thread, IMO.

 

It was also fitting that Tyson's final exit as a pro boxer saw him get hit in the head with a paper cup and he follows it up by flipping off the fans.::
Nice lasting memory! Gatti was in wars and entertained the fans for years and always got a standing ovation. Most of Tyson's crappy ass fights ended in Boos and "Bullsh*t" chants and "Fixed" chants and him getting pelted with cups and garbage after ripping off the fans time and time again.

 

Just for two fights, I regretfully will have to go with the late, Genaro Hernandez. I saw him fight Raul Perez, a naturally smaller guy who he went after and then I saw him give into De La Hoya and Mayweather....

 

mosley is at the end of the line and was facing the top boxer in the world. its funny how you biased critics of mosley want to base his career rep on that fight. when gatti was at the end of the line he got laid out by baldomir.

 

great comparison. the playdough fisted journeyman robinson and vernon forrest. forrest hardly set the world on fire in the rematch. it was an all around shitty, though competitive, fight. its easier to look tough against fellow average pugs than against real comp

 

I think it was moreso the mental damage Mosley suffered which caused him to go into a shell against Forrest. He did take a pretty bad beating from Forrest in that first fight.

 

David Lemieux, recently, exposed what this thread is all about imo. Very aggressive, crowd pleasing style, but once someone stood up to him ( Rubio ) and sustained his early storm, he basically gave up without getting hit much.

 

What about Freitas, sure, he showed his lacks of balls ( don't get me wrong, he had some heart, just not as much as we expected ) in performances where he was more of a counter puncher/mover than the all out slugger he was vs lesser comp, but stil.

 

Gatti went out swinging like always.

 

A loss is a loss. Some fighters are better than others so it takes a better fighter to beat them. Mosley is 10000x better than Mickey Ward but Ward is much tougher than Shane. Skills and toughness are 2 different things.

 

agreed... the man's career was a monument to acting and fighting not to lose, rather than fighting to win

there was a french middlewieght in the 30s named Marcel Thil who was just like him

 

Mosley stopped trying against Forrest in the first fight and in the second fight he fought like he was happy to be there

he quit without quitting

 

My picks are still the best Echols and Miranda........



At those saying/implying that Mosley was a coward....:die:

 

when did Mosley come back from being hurt to win?

Hell, Echols nearly died against Charles Brewer but he came back to stop him the next round... Can't say I can picture Mosley doing anything like that if he were hurt that bad

 

Not seriously hurt, but he was four points down against Oscar in their first fight and seemed to be getting bullied, yet he stood his ground, fought back and turned it around. He also came from behind to win their second bout. Might not be a perfect example, but then again Mosley was seriously hurt just twice in his career

 

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His success against Oscar had as much to do with Oscar forgetting the gameplan and foolishly assuming he would overpower him at close range... the fight showed the faults in Oscar's close range game...

in the second fight, he did what he usually did when he was being outboxed: he threw bang-bang combos to his opponent's elbows which people then credited as "body shots" and "effective aggression" ... no different than against Wright... he could not win, but he also knew he probably wouldn't get hurt so he did that rat-a-tat business to the elbows and the overhand right to the opponent's gloves

when the threat of being hurt was there, he politely acquiesed... I don't care if he was 100, his performance against Pacquaio was one of the most pathetic I have ever seen from a fighter who didn't literally quit... it should be a huge knock on him