Is it a coincidence that in all these threads you have opened, you haven't made a pick first but after cdogg responds, you make the exact same pick? Or do you actually see everything the same way? ::
What are you talking about? There are like two of the topics that that I posted cdogg picked and I picked after. And both were pretty much no-brainers. Norris' crap chin + Mugabi's power = a nap for Norris. This isn't rocket science. And in the Norton-Jones topic I said in the first post that Jones is in over his head in that fight. And sure, cdogg and I agree on things more often than not (but not always). And that's mostly because we make picks based on knowing about the fighters involved and their careers...rather than agenda, bias or boxrec.
And you're a jackass. Please, please, Stafford...tell us again how Mugabi was a "Kentucky Fried Bum" or whatever other retarded phrases you have used to describe him as part of your "I love Hopkins" agenda. And then please again demonstrate your lack of knowledge of Mugabi's career. A Mugabi topic wouldn't be the same without one of your half-assed posts.
BWJ was around secondsout long before I ever was... he also doesn't strike me as the type to "go along" with anyone, me included. I do think UGO was being facetious and dryly sarcastic
People that rate Mugabi have a Hagler agenda. Still....with Norris' china chin anything can happen. Someone will fall early, could go either way. Norris is the MUCH better fighter though make no mistake. Whether or not Mugabi gets to him first is the only question. Mugabi is the classic case of a fighter getting overrated due to a loss. What people seem to forget is that Hagler was on the way out by the time of that fight.
On the way out, my ass name three middleweights at that time who would have beaten him Mugabi had some wins too, really impressive ones
I dunno, I just think Mugabi is very overrated. I respect your opinion on him because I can sense that it is genuine and not done just to make Hagler look better, but I disagree.
Norris still beats a peak Mugabi. The Beast was a fantastically entertaining boxer to watch, but he was limited and carefully matched. Norris is too quick and skillfull and wins by ko in 10 over a peak Mugabi. The Hagler performance (while brilliant) flatterred Mugabi and the subsequent performances of both fighters showed both where Hagler was at that point and Mugabi's limitations. Back in 85/6 I always thought I would bet my house that Hearns would ko Mugabi in one or two. The beast was an exciting fighter but Norris was far better. Norris ko10 Mugabi.
trust me, I have no agenda I certainly respect Hagler as a great one, but he's not a personal favorite of mine And it isn't about Norris either, since I regularly slag off on Julian Jackson
disagree completely if you want to talk about carefully matched, look no further than Norris even when fighting old faded welterweights, he was vulnerable Mugabi stopped fighting for a long stretch after Hagler, stopped taking care of himself, came back to fight Duane Thomas, suffered a terrible eye injury, lost and then quit again to resume his quest of getting really fat... after that he fought no one until he faced Norris Mugabi was strong and pretty sturdy... Hagler, a much stronger man than Norris was hitting him with everything but the kitchen sink before he finally wore finished him off in the 11th... To me, there is no Earthly way that Norris, who would have to be fairly cautious here and could never brawl with Mugabi like Hagler did with those ten-cent whiskers of his, stops Mugabi sooner than Hagler did... Mugabi need only land one right hand and the fight has an almost inevitable chance of being his... I find it impossible to believe that he would be unable to do so for 12 rounds... I find it equally implausible that Norris survives to win... we are talking about a man who was floored and horribly wobbled by a jab from a fading welterweight with high/mid-range power, a man who was badly hurt by Troy Waters... Norris had to box carefully with discipline in order to beat the faded Welterweight in the rematch, by decision... the one legitimate huge puncher Norris faced in his career ended him with one right hand... the only one he landed
Nope. You just say stuff like this to try to counter act your KNOWN Hopkins agenda. AND...folks who rate Mugabi are folks who actually know about him...which leaves you out.
Nothing but the truth. Hagler was still clearly the best middleweight in the world and nowhere near the doddering & ready-to-be taken wreck some revisionists would like the world to believe. And yes...Mugabi has a good resume going into the Hagler fight.
Sure, Norris was stopped a few times at the tail-end of his career (sometimes prematurely, see his fight with The Hawk), but Mugabi? C'mon, people....
I like this guy. We should go out for beers some time whenever one of your friends moves away or something.
Thanks for the response CDogg. You are right that I haven't made enough of Norris' chin - if Mugabi had landed punches early he would KO Norris no doubt. I just think a peak Norris is much quicker of hand and foot and gets his punches off way quicker than Mugabi. Mugabi was weak defensively and if he didn't KO Norris early he was gonna geat beat up all night long. Norris wouldn't do it with one punch but by walking Mugabi onto punches he didn't see coming. But, as I say, point taken on the chin - Mugabi lands a flush flurry - he wins. By saying Mugabi was carefully matched - I meant stylewise. He fought good punchers and pressure fighters but Micky Duff knew anyone who could box and move a bit would give him fits. That was why he fought Fletcher, Parker, Green etc. Good fighters, but fighters who would stand in front of him and trade. I personally don't Mugabi would have beaten Graham, Olajide, Nunn or Tate in 86 and my guess is neither did Mickey Duff. Styles make fights. While Hagler is a legend and P4P great, I think a peak Norris stops Mugabi quicker than Hagler because he was a better offensive and defensive fighter at this stage of their respective careers. Hagler basically slugged with Mugabi whereas four or five years earlier he would have outboxed him. I am sure you still disagree but that is the beauty of this fantastic sport and it is a pleasure to discuss this with real fight fans. Gibola
