The shit hits the fan...

exactly

 

I do sometimes wonder what guys like Quarry or Turpin or John Henry Lewis would make of this situation- guys who fought for relative peanuts with back issue, like Quarry, or with eye issues, like Turpin and JH Lewis.

Its madness.

Make the fight already.

 

"The shit hits the fan!"

Talk about an overeaction. ointlaugh:

Anyways, Floyd said what a lot here think is true. Pac decided to face the situation by not shutting Floyd's mouth himself (making the fight, taking the tests) but went to the court instead.

I don't really give a shit, I just want Floyd and Manny put their shit together and make this happen.

 

Pac has got a pretty strong case. Mayweather almost solely has managed to convince most of the boxing public (ex fightbeat posters) that Manny is juicing, without a shred of evidence. Pretty foul thing to do.

 

haha i didn't know about this defamation lawsuit

smart move by team Pac

is there a particular amount that they are sueing for?

 

Because Floyd does NOT make the rules. He doesn't own boxing.

Therefore Pac doesn't have to bend over for him and do what he says.

 

Pacq doesn't "have" to do it, but he looks super guilty and suing is a bitch move

 

No it isn't. :nono:

Pac is merely vertically integrating his bidness empire and taking care of things old-school :scratcher:

 

It doesn't seem like PBF to dissapear when faced with a challenge.

 

Almost no one ever wins a defamation lawsuit. It is doubly impossible to win one when you are a celebrity, because you essentially become a name in the "public domain" and thus 1st amendment rights kick in and you can say almost anything about someone notorious or famous. "Barak Obama is on crack", says the comedian. You think that's gonna produce a winning lawsuit? Please.

I bristle at the re-re-re-hashed "this was never proven in a court of LAW (emphasis a la Fighter)" argument. Haven't we been over this? Your neighbor, Phil, weighs 103 pounds and is something of a milktoast. He starts asking you questions about steroids when you see him watering the bushes. You see him reading "Chemical Muscle" magazine on his back porch. 12 weeks later he weights 195 and looks like a pro wrestler. His hairline is receding (even more than before), he has constant 5 o'clock shadow, his voice is deeper, and his skin has become more acne-ridden.

Do you:
(A) Simply know the man is using steroids because you are not a fucking brainless automaton?
(B) File suit in circuit court suing your neighbor for violating some ordinance so you can get him on the stand and find out if he's using steroids in A COURT OF LAW?

This is tiresome. Summary:
Floyd is a juvenile, irresponsible, punk-ass, greedy, cowardly waste of a human being. Blessed with so much, yet still so damn rotten.

Pac is a great fighter, with true fire in his soul, who happens to use the latest & greatest chemical enhancement to do more with the talent and skills he already had.

If boxing does not update their testing (or if they don't change the policy of skipping testing altogether sometimes), then Pac will never fail a drug test. Everyone knows this, no one is disputing it, the historical record corroborates it (i.e. he has not failed yet). So if boxing does not update their testing to be in line with what the current status of PED use is amongst athletes, and to what the current level is for the Olympics, etc., and thus Pac never fails a test..... how will anyone, even people who witnessed Pac shooting steroids in his ass ever PROVE this? It would be like the Barry Bonds trial. Half the people say "he never did it" or "he didn't know what they were giving him", half the people say "he was a roid fiend" and "he enjoyed every injection".

You're just gonna have to figure this one out on your own. Sorry that Floyd couldn't help you out, what a key piece of information he would have been, eh?

 

This is America. Lie your ass off.

 

Oh no a penalty for a weight he can easily make. Floyd is so small according to you guys, all he has to do it make 147 like he's been doing for years.

Nevermind the fact that Pac used that as a counter to Floyd asking for the fight at 154!!!

Oh and when Oscar requested 10oz gloves in their fight, Floyd called them "Pillows" and was not happy about it. Now all of the sudden he's demanding these pillows when Pac wants 8oz gloves? Hmmm

Who's really trying to get out of the fight here?

 

Floyd never asked for 10 oz gloves. He agreed to 8 oz gloves immediately. He also didn't have any problem with the 10 oz gloves in the Oscar fight that I can remember, nor did he ask for the Pac fight to be at 154. Cite sources for these claims, please.

 

Freddy Roach mentioned that Mayweather was asking for these things during the first negotiations.

http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-wants-pacquiao-154-wants-10oz-gloves--23910

http://www.liverpuncher.com/articles/mayweather-wants-10-oz-gloves-and-154lbs-2.html

 

I disagree, this is typical of the man.

He was undefeated at 130lbs after winning the title from hernandez and beating up Manfredy and a few others. Corrales destroys Manfredy and everyone else and when it was time for Floyd to man up and fight him, he was nowhere to be found. Instead he flees the division and moves up to Lightweight. The Lightweight champion Castillo wants the fight and where's Floyd? NO WHERE TO BE FOUND!! He chooses to fight some paper champion instead.

He moves up to 147lbs after decimating a weak 140lbs division. At the time he moved up he decided to fight the "soft touch" Judah instead of taking on the real champion Baldomir. After beating up Judah, does he prove himself the 147 champion by beating the man who beat the man who beat the man? Hell no. He promptly flees the division to take on that homo sissy De La Hoya..a man that couldn't even beat Ricardo Mayorga or Fernando Vargas at 154lbs!


So I disagree with you dude, it is EXACTLY like PBF to dissapear when faced with a challenge.

That cunt.

 

Nobody with any credibility has ever criticized PBF's competition at 130 and 135. It was at 140 and above when PBF began getting all shifty about who he was willing to fight.

 

To add to this...from Wiki...

How to prove libel
There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. For example, in the United States, the person first must prove that the statement was false. Second, that person must prove that the statement caused harm. And, third, they must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. These steps are for an ordinary citizen. In the case of a celebrity or public official trying to prove libel, they must prove the first three steps, and must (in the United States) prove the statement was made with the intent to do harm, or with reckless disregard for the truth. Usually specifically referred to as "proving malice".<SUP id=cite_ref-16 class=reference>[17]</SUP>

 

Again......turning down the biggest purse in boxing history to avoid a simple blood test is significant circumstantial evidence. That's what changed people's minds, not Floyd plucking accusations out his ass.

Both these guys suck, as does the sport of boxing circa 2011.

 

Well then why do you jackasses keep on saying Floyd "conceeded" to Pac's glove demands?

Same thing with the 10 mil per pound. You guys keep bringing that up as if Pac is forcing Floyd to drain himself. Pac just doesn't want to get "Marquezed"

 

I was referring mainly to his propensity to retire/ and/or decide that he has no interest in boxing at certain times in recent history.

 

Well, because Pac made a non-standard demand (8 oz gloves for a 147 lb fight) and Floyd agreed to it with no hesitation.

The comparison between not making a catchweight and not making the welterweight limit is phenomenally stupid. Please think before you post.

 

Outlander thinks Manny Pac is bald.

 

Floyd agreed to 147 and 8oz gloves and the 10mill per lb weight penalty and to have himself subjected to ost.

This is what Roach had to say when he first heard about ost on december 11 2009. No doubt you will ignore it along with damien and fighter, go to 0:33

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Then of course this is what Koncz had to say on December 13

Pacquiao's adviser, Michael Koncz, said Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 knockouts) also would welcome such a procedure when reached Saturday in the Philippines, where he is with the seven-division world champion.

"Our reaction is, 'So what?' We know Manny doesn't take any illegal drugs or anything. And none of this is getting under Manny's skin or anything," said Koncz.

"I'm here with Manny, and to him, it's like a joke. It's a laughing matter," said Koncz. "It's something foolish anyway. Why would we be concerned? We know he doesn't do any of that s**t."

http://www.aolnews.com/2009/12/13/pacquiao-would-welcome-random-drug-test/

 

Both these guys can drop dead by this point for all I care. If I dwell on the marring farce of this I could really bubble myself up into a seething rage.

 

He said they accepted the testing in the video. What is this suppoed to prove?

 

That Manny avoided the fight with Floyd.

 

And Floyd did nothing wrong? 154? 10oz "Pillows" to use Floyd's own words? 60-40 split?

They both fucked it up.

 

Nice job of trolling zhonny.

 

So Floyd didn't ask for those things? If Floyd is so against 8oz Gloves, why did he ask for them in a 154lbs fight with Oscar? Look it up. He called the 10oz "Pillows"

It's only in Nevada that WW boxers use 10oz gloves, everywhere else the standard is 8oz gloves. I don't get why this is a big deal to you guys.