Final Predictions: Wlad vs Haye

well said again.

Hence my recent flip flop. Originally I went with conventional wisdom, which is Wlad, but when I play the fight over and over in my mind I see Haye knocking him out.

 

Not Really...

Think of the Looping Left Hand that Sergio Martinez KO'ed Paul Williams w/, as he Stepped TO His Own Right...It's NOT Difficult Imagining Haye Stepping To HIS OWN Left (AWAY from Wlad's Left Jab) & Launching a Looping, Fight Ending Right Hand...Martinez-Williams Scenario, w/the Opposite Hand...



REED

 

That's true "HOWEVER" Haye's footwork is so piss poor Wlad has to talk him through it. I'd say Haye's chances decrease as the rounds go on.

Wlad has never been in a dogfight and I'm curious if Haye can make it one and survive the incoming.

 

So basically what you are saying is, Wlad wins, unless Haye gets him EARLY. I concur.

 

Haye Definitely ISN'T an On-Your-Toes Sort, like Martinez is...But Being the SMALLER Man in this Fight, REED would B SHOCKED if Haye's Footwork WASN'T More FLUID, NIMBLE &/or QUICKER PACED than Wlad's...

No Doubt, a Late Rounds Fight is Almost EXCLUSIVELY in Wlad's Favor, but REED Thinks it's ANYBODY's Fight for the 1st 6-7 Rounds...w/Out Knowing WHO he's Picking to WIN, REED Already has the Sense that this WON'T Last Past the 4th or 5th Round EITHER WAY...

 

Reed has been about the sport and worked at boxing in a more personal and technical regard than I have, or probably ever will, but even at that, I feel the comparison between Haye and Martinez was generous to Haye. As for Wlad and the "dogfights", I would ponder just how much of a dogfight Haye is both prepared and able to make it.

Brewster, in the first fight, almost went out before he prevailed. Davarryl Williamson, who was probably no worse of a fighter than David Haye, and who probably had as good a right hand, had Wlad down and the round ended with Wlad winning the remaining minute or so. Wlad actually got a bit reckless in that one, and chased Williamson on occasions, and more than took his lumps, including the fight-ending headbutt and resulting cut. Sam Peter relentlessly pursued him, clubbing him to the brainstem. All of these guys made it a dogfight and all of them landed a lot of stuff but were forced to deal with a lot of incoming.

I simply don't rate Haye in the same bracket of ANY of the above when it comes to absorbing incoming. He doesn't keep his hands up. He is a natually smaller man. He seems to wind easily. His musculature is manufactured, his bone density seems less. His neck is slimmer.

Much is made of the number of times Wlad has been down. Haye has been down too...versus Barret, Ruiz, Lolenga Mock, Carl Thompson....

I don't necessarily disagree with people who say Haye can win. Of course he can. It's Heavyweight boxing, and its Wlad. Anything is "capable", so to speak. What I disagree with are the concepts and methodologies invoked and applied to make the argument that Haye win. For instance, the latest mutterings included

1. Wlad has picked soft sparring partners.
2. Wlad runs his own training camp, not Manny.
3. Tyrol is a soft touch, Haye has had a harder camp.
4. Wlad has no confidence in his own chin
5. Wlad has been down 10 times.
6. Wlad fights to orders. Haye has a plan. Haye fights off the cuff. :dunno:
7. Haye is a better athlete and has better speed and footwork.
8. Manny Steward is a cheat and uses illegal wraps.
9. Wlad has no stamina and can't fight through a storm.
10 Haye knows how to win on the road, Wlad doesn't

I don't regard those points as being necessarily decisive, or even useful, in any argument. As I say, Haye may win, but will he win because of the above?? Most of the points are false, those that are not false are conjecture or speculation. Those that are true are offset in their relevance by the fact that the same is equally true of Haye {no confidence in the chin, no stamina etc}

 

I'm gonna go ahead and call it

Haye will STRETCH Wlad in 3 or less

look at the guys that stretched Wlad, they are all around Haye's size

I think Haye is faster than Wlad is ready for and I think he'll avoid Wlad's jab and get him with overhand right and hurt him and once Wlad is hurt Haye will finish him

re-watching the fights (mainly Ross and Corrie) where Wlad is hurt, he doesn't look like he takes it well at all

 

REED Thinks # 7 is Somewhat Accurate, but Yeah, the Rest is pretty Much BULLSHIT...

REED Doubts if Haye's a Better All-Around Athlete, but he IS Fairly Athletic in his Own Right...& Based on Sheer SIZE (or LACK Thereof in his Case), it Stands to Reason that Haye has SUPERIOR Speed & Footwork to that of Wlad's...If by Chance he DOESN'T, then Wlad ENDS him in 2 Rounds or LESS...


REED:mj:

 

Coolio. As the man says...we shall see soon enough.

 

Yes

 

Wlad is going to lean on Haye everytime he gets close, tire him out, and then easily finish him. And since Wlad is participating in the fight, it will not be exciting.

If the fight gets exciting, it means Haye is executing his game-plan.

 

I'm torn. I hate Haye and want his mouth shut but I want Wlad destroyed so Irish is left with Kelly Pavlik as his sole "great white hope."

:kidcool:

 

Haye's people have accused Genaro Rodriguez of allowing Wladimir to cheat, saying that "in one of Wlad's recent fights, Genaro rodriguez allowed Wladimir Klitschko to cheat 32 times in 5 rounds". In addition to this, two SKY TV pundits were filmed in Hamburg hitting each other in the ball-sack with their forearms, saying that this is how David needs to fight.

I shit thee not.

 

Why, did Vitali die???

As it happens, I hate Pavlik, and have done, from day one.

I don't mind you sounding off, but I'd prefer if you were right.

 

Wlad ko Haye within 6 rounds.

 

I want to know what Mr Hut thinks of this match- up.

 

Everybodies Favourite Clairvoyant, Audley Harrison, has picked Haye.

Meanwhile, Ugly Boy Groves has said that Wladimir is not a natural fighter and that Vitali is out there to prop Wlad up.

 

I very much hope this is not going to last just one or two rounds.

 

On the contrary...I hope Wlad bombs him out in just two rounds.

 

I'm seeing it this way too now.


I see a stiff and nervous Wlad getting pummelled.

Hope I'm wrong though...

 

Vitali will tear his ACL rushing onto the ring apron to care for his little brother.

You're stuck with Pavlik come July 3rd.

artie:

 

how does haye compare with williamson, who was able to hurt klitschko?

 

Wlad's entire style has been built around protecting his fragile chin and conserving his energy. And he's had plenty of time, and foregone any pretense of trying to entertain anyone, in order to refine it so. As a result, it will be tough for Haye or anyone else to get to Wlad the way Sanders and Brewster did.

 

Wiin lose or draw Saturday, I fail to see ANY reason why Wlad would have even given a toss about the TV networks or TV executives, or entertaining people.

He used to fight all-out, letting his hands go. Was he rewarded? No. Soon as he looked used up they let him have it. He wasn't marketed as a chinny, exciting banger, but as a gutless hype job, compared openly to guys like mob-controlled Richie Melito {Wally Matthews, Jack Newfield} Referred openly to as a "Broken Man" {Boxing News} as a "Dead Man Walking" {Boxing Monthly} as "The Most Overrated Fighter" {Ring Magazine}.

Put yourself in his shoes. Do you continue with the heavy-handed, defense-deficient, non-pacing style, for the benefit of an audience who clearly don't appreciate you to begin with, or do you, for your own sake, make the necessary adjustments and try to make a go of your career???

It's beyond me why people moan about boring style. It's not like they appreciated him when he was letting his hands go in the first place.

 

That's the only possible way it will be enjoyable though.

 

To see Haye get beat up over 8 or 9 rounds would be better tho Steve and i'm not rooting for the British guy this time

 

I want Haye's mouth shut! Arrogant AND cornrows?? He's gotta go...

 

Haye has single-handedly made this fight a must-see for many boxing fans. yothe americans better appreciate this. stateside, no one gives a shit about the klit bros (not saying it's right.... especially since they woudl rather watch the cagefighting stuff), but even some of my friends are interested in this fight.

 

People who don't watch boxing want to see this and are rooting for haye because of his mouth.

I don't like haye, he's not a good boxer, he's sloppy and he has a fat chin.

 

Don't be a cunt Sly......:nono: He could be pale as a sheet and I would want him done over the same, as would a lot of other people- he's gone way over the line with the accusations against Steward. Glove-Loading and illegal wraps are an absolute, 100% no-no in boxing and are universally despised. Its the fastest way to get hated. Golota fouled-out repeatedly, quit, went AWOL but was able to keep fighting. Vargas failed a test and remains as popular as ever today. Nobody today refers to Vargas as a cheat.


But the wraps will get you banned, fined, and hated in nothing flat. Permanently.

Nobody has a kind word for the Margarito's, Resto's, Panama Al's of this world.


With Booth now referring to Manny, Boendte etc as a "Mob", it's hard to have any respect for Haye et al anymore.