George Foreman (90's) vs. These Gents...

Since Foreman (return career) polarises so well the opinions of the public, let's see how you have him matching up in 12-rounders with the following HW Champions, all in their prime...

Wlad Klitschko
Jack Dempsey
Joe Frazier
Rocky Marciano
Gene Tunney

 

George loses to all of them.

 

Wlad Klitschko puts him in a coma. He dies a few days later.

Jack Dempsey beats him by decision
Joe Frazier beats him by decision
Marciano beats him by decision
Tunney beats him by decision.

 

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I give him a chance to KO Tunney who was so much smaller than he was

But he loses to everyone else, although with Wlad's chin there is ALWAYS a chance he puts him to sleep... he could still hit

I disagree with Wlad putting him in a coma, that's ridiculous... what fighter who was remotely threatening has Wlad put in a coma? He'd jab and hold, fight scared

 

Wlad would utterly destroy 90s Foreman. How many guys with Wlad's size, skillset and power did 90s Foreman face?

 

Foreman was big and slow with a good chin. This means huge stationary target that would receive a hell of alot of punishment. Against someone with Wlad's prodigious offensive abilities....coma it is...

 

Preach it brother, preach it.

 

:bears:

 

Old Foreman probably loses to all of them, just as Young Foreman destroys all of them.

 

Klitschko still beats young Foreman.

 

You mean George's son, right?

 

No I mean George would be Wlad's son during the fight.

 

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Klitschko wouldn't open up against the likes of Ibragimov & Brewster.

I would bet the last cent I ever earned, win, lose or draw, Klitschko would fight as conservatively as a churchmouse. Count on it.

 

agree

Foreman's jab would cause swelling around Klits eyes immediately, the power would make him wary and he'd be content to jab his way to an easy decision... if he opened up, he'd have EVERY FUCKING CHANCE of getting hurt badly

OLD Foreman was still better, tougher and more formidable than each of the three BUMS that have knocked out Wladimir Klitschko

 

Okay. He'd still win. ::

 

against the old Foreman, yes

the young one kills him

 

No he wasn't.

First of all, the version of Wlad that lost to Purity was shit and irrelevant.

He was perhaps better than Brewster, Brewster was a bum and Wlad made him look like it once he got his act together, but Corrie Sanders was far more dangerous than that old bum.

Axel Schulz wouldn't have beaten Corrie Sanders...

 

He beats young Foreman easily as well. Foreman in general is the most overrated fighter in boxing. Especially on this forum that foolishly worships punchers like a bunch of retarded kids with ADHD.

 

But he opened up against the likes of Peter, Mercer, McCline, Jefferson.

gimme a break!

 

1) convenient, bullshit excuse to suit your "argument"

2) Based on what exactly? His wins over... um... who did he beat again??? Al "Ice' Cole?? Bobby Czyz? Otis Tisdale?

3) Why not? Hasim Rahman beat him and he was a second-tier guy if ever there was one (his one magical moment in life notwithstanding) ... you continously harp on Schulz... I don't see how he was really any less of a fighter than Sanders... he beat about the same level of second/third-rate opponents... he was fairly durable, certainly much more durable than Sanders, he lost competetively to Moorer, he wasn't a terrible fighter at all. He wasn't particularly good, but neither was Corrie Sanders no matter how much you try to re-write history. Axel Schulz was a journeyman heavyweight, just like Corrie Sanders was. Sanders was a better puncher, Shulz had a much better chin... apples and oranges

Lamon Brewster was a terrible fighter... Old George Foreman would have beaten him... young George Foreman would have punched holes through him... "Wlad made him look like it once he got his act together"??? What are you, Wlad's publicist? Maybe it was coming off of a loss and over a year of inactivity that helped make Brewster "look like" what everybody with a brain already fucking knew he was LONG BEFORE Wlad collapsed like a train wreck at his feet-- A FUCKING BUM... NO CREDIT is due Wlad Klitschko for winning a rematch against Brewster... it was a bullshit, gimme fight (LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN the first time... like it would have been for ANY GOOD HEAVYWEIGHT)

AXEL SHULZ would have beaten Lamon Brewster any night

 

Pretty much the same tier of fighter that Foreman was beating.


Hell, even in his prime Foreman was nothing but a bully who picked on either, tomato cans or undersized sub-200lb fighters.

He beat Lyle, Norton and Frazier.....oooh, wow, this man must be the second coming of Christ.

Funny enough, Ali was probably one of the largest men he ever fought and Ali, who had not much of a punch, knocked him out.

Wlad would easily beat Foreman. The fight would sole be dictated by the fact that the skill-less bum couldn't overwhelm Wlad with his size alone. He tries to bumrush Wlad he gets put on his ass, which conveniently is the only way he knew how to fight.

 

My point. They both would've beaten 90s Foreman. Thank you.

 

Peter -- awful, horrible fighter who never did anything noteworthy... Wlad still fell thrice against him

MERCER??? are you fucking kidding me??? MERCER??? I could have opened up against that Ray Mercer

McCline? YOu are talking about the large but relatively light hitting pretender of a few years back with no courage whatsoever? I mean, I don't want to think that you are so biased and absurd in your viewpoint that you would actually attempt to use Jameel McCline to boost your argument, but you are leaving me no choice because I can't think of anyone else named McCline

Jefferson? okay, just end the fucking thread... this is preposterous, fucking PREPOSTEROUS... you CAN NOT be saying that Derrick Jefferson, a low-level journeyman AT BEST, represents a level of danger that in any way compares to the level of danger involved with facing an experienced, iron-chinned man with a heavy jab and still undeniably potent power...

there's no way you are saying that

 

Interestingly enough, Shulz is actually a common opponent, and Wladamir fucked him up. A green Wladamir at that.

 

1)Foreman 217, Frazier 214 ... Foreman 223, Norton 213... Foreman 226, Lyle 221 ... Foreman 220, Ali 216 ... I must be missing something, or I don't understand numerals

2) First off, you throw those names out there like you are saying "Lawrence Cley-Bey" and "Fres Oquendo"... One of those guys was a great heavyweight, a dominant champion, the other was at the very least really fucking good... and is not just that he "beat" those guys, it was HOW he beat them... Seriously, think of every great heavyweight since Jack Dempsey, go through all of them... now tell me which of them took a total of four rounds to polish off two heavyweights as highly regarded and dangerous as Frazier and Norton were... There isn't anyone who can claim that accomplishment. Dempsey had some brutally one-sided wins, but none of them against contemporaries who were as high on the totem pole as Frazier/Norton... Louis got Schmeling out of there in a round, that's one, but you would have a tough time arguing that Schmeling at that point was in the Frazier/Norton class and there is no seocnd guy you can name in Louis's case; again, he had some dominating wins, but not against that class... Marciano? nope, you want to give him one for the Walcott rematch, that's cool, but there is not a second one... Liston? I suppose Patterson, if you ignore how protected Patterson was and the fact that Johansson (a one-dimensional guy to begin with) had already turned the trick... Ali? not really... his performance against Liston was awesome, but the rest of the comp he relaly dominated was good, solid guys, but not Frazier/Norton quality... Holmes? nobody there... Tyson? he kicked the crap out of solid names like Berbick, Williams, but nothing like Frazier/Norton... Holyfield? nobody there... Lewis? I suppose Golota was a big deal at the time, but history didn't exactly bear out his credentials... other than that, nobody really... Now, that is all of the greatest heavyweights and none of them can match what Foreman did in those two fights, it really was remarkable and unprecedented... You choose not to see it because you have a childish bias

3) after hitting him with about 150 perfect one-twos and Foreman had clearly exhausted himself, as anyone who has ever seen the fight knows. Furthermore, Ali was not a light puncher by any means... I don't know where you got that idea, other than maybe you are under the impression that if a guy doesn't hit like Lennox Lewis or Ernie Shavers, he must not have "much of a punch":wack:

4) He didn't do that with Frazier or Norton, since they were both within 10 pounds of him (Frazier within 3) ... He did it because he knew how to get separation and he hit with absurd power

I think you are confusing George Foreman with Jess Willard

 

Yep. You don't get it. As usual.

 

and an old Schulz

when did Wladimir ripen exactly?

I suppose, for the sake of your position, that would be after he was bounced around like a basketball by a journeyman golfer... or maybe it was after he collapsed in an exhausted heap against a lazy, fat bum who never beat anyone ever

 

He wasn't old. He was about 30 years old and had a relatively short career. Nothing washed up about him.