Does anyone feel dumb?

to be honest...i feel dumb for criticising guys like David Tua for some performances, like against Lewis

 

Me too, motherfucker :nono:

 

I finally plumped for Wlad UD 12 and Wlad KO 11 as my predictions.

Am I disappointed Wlad didn't stop him? Yeah. But Haye showed up to run and at 213lbs and in great shape, he can run with the best of them.

Wlad came to fight, its not his fault the other guy came to slight.

 

:giggle::hump:

 

Anybody who can put this fight, with the HBO commentary, onto a multi-region DVD and send it to me? I will pay you, $20 fair?

 

I should be able to do it bud. I'll let you know for sure tomorrow.

MTF

 

Just for fun.

 

i was disappointed in the performance Haye gave today. The result was predictable I think we all agree there. So I do feel a bit dumb that perhaps I just expected more from Haye.

 

same here, expected it to be a one sided typical boring win for Wlad, but wished Haye to show a bit of pride. Guess he was all talk after all

 

Wlad is king

 

No hype for me. I got called names by apologists for suggesting the fight would suck a while back and that Haye was a fraud.

 

With HBO commentary??? As requested???? ::

Thanks, one way or the other. :bears:

 

Lennox Lewis was not at all impressed with the performance of both boxers and is mounting a comeback and looking to take on both Klitschkos starting with Wlad this Fall. Lewis gets an immediate title shot based on his 'champion emeritus' status as he retired as the reigning champion.:clapagain:
This will be the biggest fight in boxing history! Lewis says "It's nothing to do with age, just 1 punch and that's all I need to handle baby Klitschko!"

 

There were aspects of the fight that I found to be most absorbing.......Haye's head-movement, hands down style vs Wlad's seek-and-destroy methodology, how long the referee would allow either man away with the infractions etc.

 

I picked Haye to win to make it interesting but admitted I didn't care about the fight. Like I said, if I didn't put money on it (and I didn't), I didn't really believe any hype one way or another. In fact I think I was just trying to hype MYSELF up for the fight by going against everyone.

I am not a fan of either guy. I don't feel stupid because I really had no expectations that it would be a great fight or anything.

I am looking forward to Khan-Judah though.

 

I don't really agree with this. He was determined to get inside and land a bomb from the outset but found it much more difficult than he expected. He had some limited success in rounds 3-5. Then it got even harder for him to connect so his attempts became less frequent. He wanted Klitchko to come at him so he was there with hands down and chin up. That also didn't work. And when this all failed he didn't really have another plan so he kept his distance and tried the odd lunge and punch. I didn't see him as "running." It's not like Klit was chasing him around the ring.

 

I stand by that statement. I was refering to his ring generalship and the way he avoided punishment, and he was smart to fall down when Wlad leaned on him with 250lbs. Haye's a very smart fighter. He just couldn't deal with Wlad's height and reach...and Wlad fought VERY TALL last night.

 

:say:
that falling down shit was a mega bitch move...worse than Hopkins at his worse


@ "leaned on him with 250lbs"..Wlad hardly leaned on him with much weight at all....Hayes whole gameplan included trying hard to have Wlad get points taken away

it was disgraceful

 

Wlad didn't fight tall at all. He was leaning down to Haye's height from an early stage. Sorry to disagree again.....whilst I do agree with you that Haye showed outstanding head movement.

 

Haye didn't run, he fought exactly as he fought Valuev. He stood in the middle of the ring often, and had his back to the ropes often as well. He simply moved his head frequently and Wlad could not find him. To say Haye ran is ridiculous, he stood in front of Wlad with his hands down half the fight. Wlad simply cannot pull the trigger fast enough to catch someone with good footwork and movement.

With that said, Haye was unwilling to engage enough to win. His offense was pathetic. He waited for a chance to land the bomb, then jump on Wlad. Very similar to Valuev. This strategy was obviously ineffective, and just about anyone who watches boxing could have told Haye that throwing 3 punches per round would not result in a win against Wlad Klitschko. Haye was fast enough and in good enough shape to maybe take some risks and catch Wlad, especially on the inside, but he chose instead to flop around on the canvas and leap in and out with one-shot bombs.

To me, this fight shows 2 things. One, Wlad is methodical to a fault and is an eyesore to watch. The guy can't adapt for shit. He does one thing, and one thing only. Next, the kind of process a young heavyweight has to go through to get to the top is apparently such that by the time you get there you are compensated so highly, and so averse to losing that you would rather stink up the place repeatedly than actually go for broke to WIN. It is hard for me to believe that modern heavies are a bunch of cowards. Saying that doesn't sit well with me. But whatever it is, it is certainly at a point where the cashout paycheck is far more important than actually beating somebody. We've seen it again and again, and I am sick of it.

What the fuck are you doing in the ring if you are not willing to go life and death in order to WIN? It's boxing for god's sake.

 

if anything this fight simply proved that a prime clay would wipe his ass with the ukranian guy

 

REED Doesn't Feel "Dumb" @ All...The Fight was Broadcast on REGULAR HBO, @ 3:45 in the Afternoon...REED DIDN'T Have to Go Out of his Way or Rearrange his Schedule in ANY Fashion, to See the Fight...

"Disappointed" is the Word REED would Use...

After the 1st 3-4 Rounds or So, REED Thought Haye was FRUSTRATING Wlad w/his Speed, Feints & Headmovement...AND he Touched Wlad just Enough to Keep him HONEST...Even as Wlad Pursued, he Did So CAUTIOUSLY...But Haye Failed to Take HIS OWN Performance to the Next Level...

Haye Basically Spent 12 Rounds Looking to Catch Wlad w/a "Lucky" Lick...A Well Timed PRAYER, Basically...U've Got to WORK for your Opportunities in the Ring...Even in the Case of Antonio Tarver's CLOSED EYE KO of Roy Jones, he PURSUED Roy for Most of the 2nd Round, Nearly Took Roy's Head Off w/a Left Hand (just PRIOR to the Kill Shot) & was in the Midst of EXCHANGING w/Roy, when he Put his Lights Out...

Tarver WORKED his Way into Position to LAND a "Lucky" Lick...David Haye Wouldn't or COULDN'T Do Likewise....& it's Sad, Because Haye COULD have Revitalized the Heavyweight Division & the Sport Itself...



REED:shit:

 

Personally I don't think either guy took many chances. It's one of the problems with having so many belts and titles. It doesn't seem the idea of winning the title is as inspiring as it used to be. Guys used to sell out and leave it all on the line for the chance of winning THE Heavyweight Championship of the world. It has become such an ambiguous moniker that it has lost it's luster and lure.

And now there is such a fear of looking bad that guys would prefer to stink the joint out with a safe performance even if it results in a losing effort. That's how you get a Haye-Wlad type of fight. Haye didn't make the extra effort to win for fearing of getting stopped. As a result, the fight was pathetic.

 

What is potentially more annoying is the the negative impact this fight has on Boxing, especially in the UK.

The last eight years or so had seen something of a resurgence of boxing popularity here as the sport rode on the coat-tails of Lennox Lewis and then latterely Hatton and Calzaghe.

Since those guys retired, Haye has become the flag-bearer of the sport here, rightly or wrongly (wrongly IMO, because that should by rights have been Carl Froch) and Haye's tremendous gift for publicity meant that this fight was BIG here.

Very big. Whilst the hardcore fight fans here were almost universal in knowing that Haye stood little chance last night but 'non' or 'casual' boxing fans bought into Haye's bravado and paid for this fight in their droves. In my own bar, where the fight was advertised all week and shown live at 10pm, the place was absolutely packed to the rafters and all week has been one of those I suspect most of us here have had, where everyone we know and speak to asks for our opinion on 'the big fight'.

It is easy for us to become snobs and for us to cynically dismiss these people as 'know-nothings' but there was genuine excitment in my neck of the woods, with millions of people wanted to watch the boxing for the first time since Hatton-Mayweather. The potential audience for boxing clearly exists but the 'product' has to be good enough.

And what did these potential boxing fans see? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Haye fought not to lose and Wlad did was Wlad does. This might not have surprised many here but it disgusted and infuriated most of those who came to see Haye make good on his pre-fight hoopla. I've spent all day listening to people asking why Haye 'fought like a coward' and 'just turned up for the money'. These are people who are now probably LOSt to our sport at a time when we need to attract fans, not discourage them.

Ordinary people know that he lied to them and they feel that they have been fleeced. And David Haye is responsible for this.

MTF :shit: :die:

 

Sly stop talking shit, for fuck's sake.

I guess Mosley was "smart" and showed great ring generalship to go the distance with Pacquiao then? ::

Haye fought like a glorified journeyman sly, there's nothing smart about that, unless you're talking about the amount of money he made from what boiled down to mainly publicity.

Sure he showed good head movement and decent footwork but that's it, and there's certainly nothing "smart" about it, he just has good reactions and is obviously fairly agile at heavyweight.

If Haye was smart he would have stopped flopping to the canvas like a bitch when the ref took a point off Wlad, instead of doing it so much he got a point taken off himself.

 

Pretty much the case alright. I knew that there was a chance that it could come back on British boxing if Haye fudged it up. If he had scored a few knockdowns or created the aura of a robbery, he would have been fine, but lamely raising his arm as the scores were read was the final nail in the coffin.

I think a lot of the press-men, tv people etc had wearied in the final fortnight of constantly defending Haye and dismissing his language as mere bluster.

The sight of him rapidly de-shoeing himself at ringside to show everybody his broken toe-nail must have just driven them over the edge. I saw Sue Barnes was at Wimbledon today talking about it to Boris of Becker and she was babbling on about the broken toe whilst Boris and Serious John McEnroe argued over the fight. To see the fight transcend the mens singles final at Wimbledon was brilliant. To see Boris and McEnroe swap opinions was great.

To see Sue Barnes babbling on under orders about a broken toe was cringe-worthy.

 

The toe jokes are really getting out of hand now.

What haye must be thinking now.

 

I enjoyed the whole show and the fight thoroughly. I was hyped as shit I knew how the fight would play out and wanted to know who wins the chess match. If you guys only like Gatti type of fights just stay away. Boxing isn't always like that.

 

Why would he be thinking now. He never did any thinking beforehand.