Let's say a PRIME Marvin decided to bulk up and fight an Antonio Tarver (coming off recent wins over Jones and Johnson). How does he do? Does Hagler's ATG boxing ability allow him to outbox the 6'2" southpaw? Does Hagler's ATG power and agression combination, the same which enabled him to break down and destroy the likes of Mugabi, prove too much for Tarver? What transpires?
Obviously Hagler's body wasn't as suited to higher weights as Hopkins, wouldn't have carried the extra muscle nearly as well and didn't have Hopkins range etc. That said, I'd have my money on Hagler for sure. On account of him being much, much better and stuff.
Believe it or not I'd pick Hagler too..and yes it was obviously a thinkly veiled Hopkins agenda thread. :: Hagler would look fat in there but he'll do enough to edge it.
Impossible to know how Hagler would carry the extra weight. Either way he'd probably have to revert to more of a boxing style that he had earlier in career.
I don't think Hagler would need to increase his weight all the way up to 175 for this fight. IMO...doing so would hurt his chances more than help them.
BWJ made a good point... I like Hagler's chances quite a bit here if he comes in around 168-170 Marvin was not a tall man the way Bernard is... It's more suitable for Bernard to carry that extra weight, hence his effectiveness there (that and Tarver's being a one trick pony)
So I'm going to throw a spanner into the works here in typical fashion... Is height really the only issue? Tyson is 5'11 (some sources say 5'10") and Michael Nunn was 6'3". Would Nunn carry 215lbs better than Tyson? Rhetorical question, naturally. The issue is that Marvin was a SMALL Middleweight. Bernard is a naturally bigger man...not just taller. This revelation probably explains why Marvins most talented opponents were always from the smaller weight divisions. But we digress (wink) I agree that Hagler would have to go no higher than 168lbs or lose a great deal of his effectiveness.
Where did I say Hagler was a big middleweight? the rest of your usual horseshit about Hagler and the men he fought remains just that: horseshit
Ugh. More agenda crap. Sorry, but Hagler's Middleweight resume > Hopkins' Middleweight resume...by a lot.
Yep. It's more important for Hagler to find a weight he is comfortable with and doesn't hinder his effectiveness than move all the way to 175. Hagler wins this one comfortably. Tarver isn't going to KO him, outbox him or outwork him.
tarver comes in the ring at 185+ pounds. sorry to say it but he would fuck little hagler up, no mater if he comes in light. tarver was a skilled light heavyweight with power and hagler isnt going to overcome a twenty pound disadvantage
I think the 20 pound disadvantage is over stated as a factor Tarver was at best a pretty good lightheavyweight with one notable skill/weapon: a counter left hand He wasn't a bruiser, a brawler or a guy who won with muscle There have been too many cases in the history of boxing of a great smaller man overcoming a good bigger man... Hagler's chin was pretty ridiculous as well... I don't think that extra weight is goign to change that very much
A fight that would never be made in my opinion - Hagler way too small, There was once talk of Hagler v Qawi back in the 80s and that was ridiculous too. Don't be fooled by the glistening muscles, Hagler was a small middleweight and neither he - nor the petronellis - would have touched Tarver with a barge pole. Gibola
I think this thread (and it's sister thread concerning Marvin Johnson) are taking into account the assumption that Marvin could still be Marvin-esque at a higher weight... in other words, IF he could still fight nearly as well at 170 pounds or so, how would he do... unless I misunderstood what was being discussed. I'm inclined to agree that Marvin spent his whole career at 160, indicating that he was very comfortable there physically and thus, moving to 175 would have made him feel lethargic so he didn't. But the truth is, since he never tried it, we can only guess
