Where does Lennox Lewis rank in HW history?

It's ok, man

 

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:: I was worried that gem would go to waste

 

Isn't Violet Lewis Lennox's wife??

she's beautiful

 

it's not only hilarious, it is also true!

 

Yes, but....nevermind.

PS Lewis QUEER.

 

I rank him number 1, easily.

 

His standing has certainly gotten much better in the past 10 years.

Does anyone know the odds for Lewis' fights? As I remember, Lennox was barely a favorite or the dog in many fights. As I remember, and I could be off,:

Akinwande 7/5
Golota 7/5
Holyfield dog
Grant 2/1?
Tyson?
Vitali?
Proposed Bowe dog

I think he's a top 3 guy based on how he would fare against the others. Not sure that his resume is top 3, though, but it's solid. I don't like the Rahman 1 loss or the stamina problems vs Vitali. I can forgive McCall 1 as a tactical error, especially how it made him better afterwards.

 

His mother and no.

 

NO...Violet CHANG will get IT....:hump:

 

this is what i dont get. bert cooper was leagues better than ron stander. why is it that max schemling (oleg maskaev minus 30 LBS) is an all time great? but oleg is a can.

larry gains, gipsy daniels....literal club fighters put schmeling into a coma. bert cooper would smoke schmeling in 2 minutes. but mentioning cooper makes you an idiot. while ms is a HOFer

 

You are right, that shot is suspect. Very hard to give the benefit of the doubt to brothers posing nude with one another and having perfume brands emblazoned across their trunks, mind.

 

Incestuous world-champion queers. Now there's a first. Keeping it in the family, and not just a WBA/IBF/WBO/WBC way either.

 

What, one of the greatest heavies ever can't walk around with dreds and a wifebeater these days?

 

Sure he can. But he loses the surf-chain. :nono:

 

Top 25 for sure.

 

Irish, it's incredibly gay, however you want to slice it. Just like that photo of Lewis. I don't see him making out with a guy in that picture --- yet every man & his dog knows it raises questions.

 

Now settle down, lemme, I was about to do no such thing ::

However, I was going to raise the name of a Tunney contemporary, which may draw your ire. I really feel two guys who would be absolute hell on Lewis would be Dempsey, & also the young Tyson. Quick, deceptively elusive, crouching assault merchants, each with a speed advantage just as drastic as Lewis' edge in size, & so much more power in their punches than has proven necessary to end Lewis' night. Those're two fights I see as ones I'd really have kept Lewis away from, had I managed him & they'd been available.

I have a hard time seeing him win three fights from Holmes, Ali & Foreman --- though I would honestly be at least a little surprised if Lewis didn't win one fight from five outings with those men. I think he would have his best shot to win three or more, with those men, against Holmes --- perhaps you disagree.

I like Lewis' chances to win a series against Marciano, Johnson, Patterson, & Jeffries (a fighter I consider a match for many modern Heavies, though the board here will disagree). Guys like Schmeling, Klitschko, Baer & Sharkey would also be out-done more often than not, I fancy. Not quite sure how it would turn out across five fights with the likes of Bowe, Liston, Holyfield, & Frazier.

 

seriously, that chick is gorgeous

what the fuck is SLy smoking?

 

LOL

Schmeling was the heavyweight champion of the world

Bert Cooper lost 23 times

what exactly makes you think that Bert Cooper, who never smoked anybody even remotely formidable in 2 minutes, would do so to Schmeling at his best?

I can see you are one of these guys who thinks that people didn't really know how to box until around 1982 or so, which I don't think I can denounce strongly enough-- 1900 is WAAAY different than 1938, light years different, a lot more different than say 1938 compared to 1976 or 1976 compared to now, speaking of which, How do you fancy the chances of any lightweight in the world today against a 1975 Roberto Duran? Does he get smoked as well by all of these superhumans of the present? ... Schmeling did one thing exceptionally well-- right hand counterpunching... there were holes in his game... he did not do well against busy fighters or guys who made him chase, but against a guy who comes right at him trying to land bombs? a guy who never met a right hand he couldn't get hit with? Oh, I love Schmeling's chances there

furthermore, because you picked out one thing instead of reading the original context--- SLy mentioned Holyfield's excellent resume and got most of the names that you'd expect to see there-- Tyson, Dokes, Bowe, Moorer-- all of which support the case for Holyfield as a great heavyweight-- but then he inexplicably included Cooper in there, as if somehow this might further enhance the legacy... I was chiding him for Cooper's inclusion because Cooper is a VERY MINOR figure on Evander's sheet... The point is not that Cooper is a chinny, one-dimensional powerpuncher who lost to every remotely good fighter he ever fought, and thus should be forgotten about forever... no the point was that in the pantheon of Evander Holyfield's career he is a mere footnote and thus has no place listed next to those other men

 

INcidentally, WBC, if your position is that Dempsey would get killed by Wlad/Lennox/Vitali because he is outweighed by a million pounds and half a foot, than I compeltely agree... he would get killed

Hell, I think boxing's biggest grwoth spurt occured in the 30s and 40s, so to me any good heavyweight after 1935 or so ought to beat Dempsey

 

You think Dempsey would beat Lewis?

At boxing? :laughing:

 

Yeah, I do. Tyson as well.

 

Laughable.

Either way the point is moot. Dempsey doesn't go anywhere near big, black Lewis.

 

That would be to Lewis' benefit, IMO.

 

There is a scintilla of credit to be given to the theory that a guy like Dempsey could rush across the ring and hurt Lewis with a furious assault. Its possible. Anything is possible. Dempsey might break Lewis ribs and that would be that. We all know Lewis had this conservative streak. He might try to hold and lean and get busted in the belly for his troubles. Anything is capable.

I don't dismiss Dempseys chances merely because he was too small or too old or too anything.

Its a combination of factors. The size disparity. The style disparity. We eventually have to assume that Dempseys crouch was tailor-made for Lewis uppercuts. That Lewis would push him down and tire him out and wear down the naturally smaller man. We have to examine the fact that Lewis fought guys who fought like Dempsey but that Jess Willard is as close as Jack got to a guy like Lewis.

The laws of physics do take hold. It seems unlikely that a 190lb man can resist the power of a 240lb man. We saw David Haye struggle with the dead weight of Valuev, now imagine scaling that weight down a bit and and adding a lot of technique and brains.

Its trite and easy and convenient to just say "Lewis smashes him" , but to romanticize the notion to the extent that Dempsey is portrayed as an irresistible mauler is also bordering on lunacy.

Gene Tunney both dropped, and took the best punches of, Jack Dempsey. I would hazard that Lewis can do likewise. Dempsey would have his moments, he always did, but I fear the totality of the task becomes too much for him.

 

She is gorgeous, never said otherwise. I'm talking about his mother.

 

Jack Dempsey...::

 

Dude, get real. Lennox Lewis might get arrested for assault for the beating he'd give Dempsey. I mean, sure, Lewis is no Fireman Jim Flynn, but he can punch. Holy cow.

I like Dempsey as much as the next guy. After all he trained in wrestling, judo and jiu-jitsu and would have been a great MMA fighter. But the dude would never belong in the same ring with Lennox Lewis. Never.

Did you really just say you "LIKE Lewis' chances to win a series" against Patterson?

You're delusional. Lewis beats Patterson 999 times out of 1000. Perhaps the absolute biggest puncher in HW history against the weakest chin among almost any undisputed HW champion in history and you LIKE the chances of Lennox Lewis winning 3 out 5.

To me, there are only a handful of heavyweights that you could pluck out of their prime and transport them to any era in HW boxing and they could legitimately contend for the title. In my opinion, they are:

Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis

and as odd as it might sound, I think there were moments where Riddick Bowe belonged on this list.

The fact that Joe Louis is in this group typically makes me rank him at the head of the HW class considering his prime was almost 30 years prior to the next guy on the list.

 

Ramone!!!