On the Jesus Gonzales/Francisco Sierra card Atlas pretty much stated that a 'better' opportunity for Povetkin had developed since he got to fight for the WBA belt and didn't have to fight a Klitschko to get the belt, but only had to fight Chagaev, a fighter Atlas feels he matches up with better. To his credit, Atlas explained that Wlad holds the WBA SUPER belt at heavy, but this would be for the WBA regular world title. If anyone sticks up for the sanctioning bodies, it is me. But giving any credence to the WBA for MISNAMING their fucking belts is ridiculous. The WBA 'regular' belt is not any sort of world title when the WBA has a 'super' champ in the same weight class. It's only an interim title. And if you are walking around town as an interim titlist you have NO right to be considered a world champ. You aren't. You have the possibility to be a true world champ without doing anymore in the ring (albeit by technicality) if the super champ vacates his belt, but if that doesn't happen, you are NOT a world champ. Also, let's NOT put aside the fact that Povetkin could have gotten his ass handed to him by Wlad two years ago and would almost surely still would be in the position to fight Chagaev for an interim belt. Hell, Chagaev DID LOSE to Wladimir exactly two years ago and here he is. And what did it take for Chagaev to be in this position? Decisions wins over Kali Meehan and Travis Walker. Perhaps all of this could be forgiven if I didn't have a memory. But back when Atlas and Kellerman did their weekly brainwashing bitching cutting on the sanctioning bodies and how they didn't matter and how The Ring belt was the only belt that mattered, it pissed me off weekly. Hell, it pissed me off bi-weekly if the Wed night crew did the same thing. I liked Atlas and Kellerman back then well enough (except for this major exception) and I like them both more now because they've sort of gotten away from the bash-the-belt theme, at least to a tolerable level, but come the fuck on, Atlas. Even if Povetkin bashes Chagaev, and I don't think that's likely since, to me, they are equals in the ring, it still won't mean anything other than he is a mandatory challenger to a real belt. Something he had already accomplished after beating Eddie Chambers. What I would prefer happen is this: From now on, everyone should refer to a WBA regular belt as the WBA interim belt whenever the WBA has a super champ. And since the WBA had the nerve to have two superchamps with Yuriorkis and John, I guess I need to clarify it even further to say that only the longest-reigning superchamp should be considered a world champ. :bangh:
agREED....and its time people came to the salutary conclusion that people like Atlas, Lederman, Kellerman etc like to play the Righteousness Card but in reality are more than prepared to go with the flow like the dead fish they are if it means an aggrandizement or promulgation of their own lofty position.
Respect the art of reactionary politics or you will get nowhere in this glorious system my dear alibi.
Atlas is an Arse-Clown. The day I respect him is the day I go down to the Soviet Mission in Brooklyn to throw stones at the wannabe Ballerinas.
Yes, but arse-clowns with a Mic are dangerous. Of course, who am I to disagree with some Hungarian with a scar down his face. He's obviously an authority on everything, the cunt.
I remember when I offered my sisters vagina in assistance with the synopsis of Atlas's deviant personality, but you wouldn't take a bite :say: ...it was all Lalonde's fault?.....but now?
Now he is in league with the Ikey Solomons of this World. No love for the Gentile Giants of the East, my lad.
I was going to log-off last night, but I stayed up in time to watch an action fight that was so hard to call they called it wrong. All the best 6'4" 154lbrs are playing basketball it seems.
So U ENDORSE the Idea of Champs, Super Champs, Interim Champs, Champion Emeritus, etc., yet U FROWN On the Idea 2 "Super" Champs???...By Justifying Sanctioning Bodies even SLIGHTLY, U're RIGHTFULLY Subjecting Yourself to All the Other Alphabet NONSENSE Involving them... Can't Have 1 w/Out the Other... REED:shit:
You can have one without the other. We do with the 3 other sanctioning bodies that really matter. Champs, super champs, and interim champs all make sense to people who give it some thought. Champ is the sanctioning body's champ. Superchamp is a sanctioning body's champ who has earned the right to be treated differently by the sanctioning body in some important, but understandable ways. Interim Champ is a fighter who is doing the champ's job of giving deserving people title shots, keeping things moving, all while the champion has a legitimate excuse for not being able to do so himself. For this, the interim champ gets mandatory status and is eligible to be elevated to champion status without doing anything more if the champ is stripped or abdicates. Emeritus Champ is a fighter who the sanctioning body is saying has earned the right to challenge for the world title without having to do anything more to earn the right. Basically they are saying, if you want to fight for our belt, just ask. That you cannot appreciate what the WBA is doing by mixing up the concepts and mislabeling them despite every other sanctioning body (and common sense) being in line about the concepts is your own shortcoming.
Last Time REED Checked, there was ONE World...Not 3, 5 or However Many Sanctioning Bodies there R Out There these Days...U're a Friggin PROPONENT of Multiple Title Belt Organizations & U ADVOCATE this Silly LABELING of Champions WITHIN a Particular Sanctioning Body AND Weight Class ("Super Duper Emeritus Champion w/Cheese..."), No Less... But NOW U're Upset that Those Already FLAWED Lines R Blurring???...They've BEEN BLURRED, Dude... Sanctioning Bodies R the Boxing Equivalent of PYRAMID Schemes...They're SCAMS...The Instant a Fighter LEGITAMIZES his Claim by UNIFYING, the Sanctioning Bodies Can't Wait to Throw Some UNrealistic, UNattainable "Mandatory" Defense in their Paths, so they can STRIP him & Give the Belt to 1 of 2 More Guys Looking to Get SUCKERED... Sanctioning Bodies R Sooooo Ridiculously FLAWED that U Should EXPECT Inconsistencies & Head Scratching "Logic" Such as what U've Started this Thread Over...Sanctioning Bodies R INHERENTLY Bogus, Dude...So when YOU "Champion" their Cause N ANY Way, U REMOVE Any Right to BITCH about their Downfalls...U CAN'T Have 1 w/Out the Other... Sorry... REED:hammert:
No one issues a "World Championship" belt, Reed. They issue an "IBF World Championship Belt" etc. The 'there's only one world' argument is really dense. Really dense. The bitch about champions getting stripped is for a different thread.
To call it an interm championship is too generous. It's effectively a box off for the position of number 1 contender. And if Povetkin has no intention of fighting Wlad, that position itself is meaningless. So it's a fight for nothing.
I finally realized the boxing world was coming to an end when I saw Adrian Broner standing in the ring with 4 different belts a couple weeks ago. :notallthere:
Yeah it's beyond ridiculous. I think if i was a boxer i'd make my own belts and always wear them into the ring. It probably wouldn't even be difficult to get the announcer to introduce you as the "champion" of organizations you completely made up.
WBC Champion of Carrying Belts Into the Ring WBA Worlds Greatest Dad WBO My Grandparents Went To the Casino and All They Got Me Was This Stupid Belt IBF I'm With Stupid ---------> Wonder if I can make my own Championship Belts on Zazzle. ray:
Nobody would even question it anymore. Just carry a whole pile of belts with you and people will figure you're kind kind of "champ". Also if you have lots and lots of them they'll figure at least a few of them must be "respectable".
That would be great if I could walk down the street and have people yell out to me "Hey Champ", "Go get 'em Champ" or "Who you fightin' next Champ?" I'll shout back some random Eastern European name and everybody will think I'm the greatest. :bears:
mIKE is suddenly exasperated by the sanctioning bodies it took THIS to annoy him but having possibly 16 guys in each division being referred to as the champions of their particular sport... nah, no problem there! fucking ridiculous Vancouver Canucks - 2011 National Hockey League Champions!!!!! YAAAAY!!! (Boston were the SUPER Champs in 2011)
No, it's an interim belt. If Wlad gets stripped or gives up the WBA belt, the winner of Povetkin/Chagaev would become the champ.
"The Champ" or "A Champ"? sorry, it's always been a pet peeve of mine. Like when everybody was saying Roy Jones Jr. won "The" Heavyweight Championship when he beat John Ruiz. No, he won "A" Heavyweight Championship.................as in "One of" the titles. He was never recognized as "The" Heavyweight Champ.
I honestly don't mind the multitude of sanctioning bodies and belts available. I think it's great for the sport that there are those 'levels' available to fighters on the way up. We probably don't think of it that way, but I think to alot of boxers, especially guys that know they might not have what it takes to be a world champ, getting the local belt, or the regional belt etc.. is a huge deal, and even though we don't have a clue who they are it still indicates that they are in the top few percent of fighters out there. Definately not a fan of the 'super champs' and what not. I prefer belts that are a bit more clear-cut, than just being randomly assigned to the big money fighters.
