WORLD CLASS Fighters w/JOURNEYMAN Qualities...

Think of Some World Class, Possibly ELITE Level Fighters that R Exceptionally POOR in Particular Areas...Who R those Fighters & WHAT R those Areas???...

Watching Paul Williams Last Night, it BOGGLED REED's Mind How a Guy Can B Soooo PHYSICALLY Gifted, yet Soooo PISS POOR Defensively...Head Movement &/or BLOCKING Incoming Punches R Clearly FOREIGN Concepts to Williams...



REED:Lok:

 

Williams has the worst defense ever on a world class fighter. AND the lowest ring IQ on any world class fighter.

The title of lowest ring IQ used to belong to Jermain Taylor, but Paul is so dumb in the ring that by comparison, Taylor has the ring IQ of Pernell Whitaker.

 

Well, you uncle Tom's should know,.. that if every fighter in every division fought like Paul Williams, boxing would be in fantastic shape,.. everytime we list 'greatest fights' we have a high energy ebb and flow contest,.. and Paul Williams always provides that beautifully,.. he also possesses the kind of country charm we have not seen since Jermaine Taylor.

 

If boxing was filled with nothing but skilless punching bags like Fall Paul.... it'd be called the UFC.

 

Paul kind of reminds me of Chico Coralles, another gifted fighter who'd prefer to mix it up and take unnecessary punishment as opposed to actually using his skills. Chico was kind of different from Paul though in that he actually knew how to box but preferred to brawl.

On the other hand Paul fought the perfect fight against Margarito. Used his height and reach to box from the outside and clinched whenever Margarito got inside. It was a brilliant game plan and won him the fight and he never showed a level of skill or thinking in the ring again. He went right back to his retarded brawling.

 

Please dont insult the late Corrales like that. The ONLY thing they have in common is that they're both extremely tall for thier divisions.

Corrales' defense wasnt very good, but it wasnt as bad as Paul's. Chico was pretty decent at blocking/parrying shots with his gloves. Paul on the other hand catches everything FLUSH on the chin.

Corrales was also alot more technically skilled than Williams, had a much higher ring IQ, and above all........ had the equalizer in both hands that Fall Paul doesnt.

TERRIBLE comparison.

 

It turned out it was the right strategy to defeat Sergio 'Maya-villa' Martinez,.. whom he overwelmed in thier first fight,... we knew that happenned to be the correct strategy,.. for I doubt he was going to be able to outbox him. Risk-takers should be praised and rewarded.

 

Did you only read the part you highlighted? My comparison was that Chico would often dispense with his skills, I never said he didn't have any. It is the fact you got 2 guys who fight/fought stupidly that I'm comparing. One because he to often refused to utilize his full range of skills and the other because he refuses to learn them.

Say what you want about Chico but the fact was he fought just as stupidly as Paul did and made things a lot harder than they had to be all for the sake of fighting with balls. He wanted to be Arturo Gatti when he could have been Hearns (in comparison of course).

 

Why do you always seem to find some stance to defend that gets you debating against nearly everyone on the board? Before this it was the Floyd is changing boxing for the better with his tests and now it's Paul is fighting the perfect style so leave him alone. I think before those 2 it was something with the Klitchko's but I'm not quite sure.

 

Meldrick Taylor is possibly the stand-out. He had a journeymans mentality. Fight like a fighter you're not.

Ryan Rhodes blew it in much the same way as Williams, abandoning a sleek defense and trying to trade with bigger men, one of who eventually broke his chin. He got floored in his next fight and knocked out soon again after, then disappeared for years.

 

agREED...

Paul Williams is TALLER than Tommy Hearns (LITERALLY), has the Same REACH as Lennox Lewis (LITERALLY), has a FAIR Amount of Overall Athletic Ability (ABOVE Average Handspeed & Overall COORDINATION) & is a Friggin SOUTHPAW...Nonetheless, he STAYS in the Pocket Waaaaaaaaaaay Tooooooooooo Much for a Guy w/Juan Diaz Level Punching Power (Comparatively Speaking)...

As a FAN, U've Gotta Loooooooooooove Williams' Sheer ZEST For Combat...The Fact that he ENGAGES his Opponent Makes a Williams Fight "Must-See T.V.", in Terms of Action...But Brother is Taking ALOT of Punishment in the Process...In his Last 5-10 (or MORE) Fights, Williams had Absorbed Countless FLUSH, Career (& LATTER Life) Altering HEAD Shots...He's Also Starting to BLEED More Times than Not...

@ The Rate he's Going, Dude May NOT B Able to Wipe his Own Ass by the Age of 50...

REED:Lok:

 

hno: Uh uh uh, Lib four Lib,.. I'm empathising with fight fans, and wondering what the priority is here,.. a victory for victory-sake through the most furiously safety-first boring tactics imagineable,.. or to be enthralled by a high energy war where there are no real losers at the end of the night..
Paul could employ Wlad Klitschko tactics and outpoint his opposition in similar fashion,.. but that isn't who he is,.. he is a ballistic weaver, an arachnid through and through,..he brings a wince of joy and arousing squeals whenever he fights,... you on the otherhand, seem to want him to play dead.

 

Amir Khan on the inside.

 

A ridiculous stance viewed and debated through a black and white lens. You going to tell me that Paul's only option is fight stupid and be entertaining or fight smart and be boring? Ridiculous. Plenty of other boxers have employed great technical skills and even sound defense without being boring. And it wasn't like Paul was exactly Gattiesque exciting with how he fought.

No my friend, I'm afraid you're just looking for another subject to stand on your soap box and debate about til your fingers turn blue.

 

Well, he defeated Sergio "chicano" Martinez (p4p4p4p4p4p4p4p4p4p!) by fighting 'dumb' ,.. he held a world title,.. he was a 'high-roller' and 'people's champion' at the same time!:love:,...which is the greatest honour of them all!,.. you would sacrifice the slash of the talons for a pair of neatly precarious turtle shells!..., :crying: oh good god, war has sucked the life out of you like a pipped oyster Lib four Lib fft:!

 

Communist! :admin:

 

agREED on the "Country Charm" that Williams Possesses...It's VERY Similar to Taylor's "Southern Hospitality"...& Win, Lose or Draw, Williams & Taylor BOTH Fight like Hell...U'll Never EVER Walk Away from a Paul Williams or Jermain Taylor Fight QUESTIONING their EFFORT or Wondering if they BITCHED OUT in Any Way...

They Should Meet @ a Catchweight of Some Sort, when Taylor Resumes his Career...It'd B a Fan-Friendly Fight for Sure, as Looooooooooong as it Lasted...



REED:Lok:

 

But he Arguably LOST that Fight, Brother Kauki, Hence the RE, which was Soooooooooooo CONCLUSIVE, there's ZERO Interest in a Condom Match btwn the 2...TECHNICALLY, Paul Williams has a "Win" Over Sergio Martinez, but it's NOT Really a Chest Beating Level Accomplishment...




REED:hammert:

 

A lot of the Mexican world-class guys who get belts have very similar qualities to the Mexicans who win 2/3 of their fights or less. I suppose that is sort of true with any country, but it especially seems the case in Mexico. Perhaps it is because their world-class guy are learning on the job on the way up and aren't world-class for a big portion of their careers. That would contrast to proven amateurs who are pretty much world class in their first pro fight, at least in a 4 rd fight sense.

 

When you have inferior boxing skills, the only way to win is through high-workrate and with it comes the possibility of the knockout, win a decision based on aggression, or fight with better odds of landing something generous, it was a good strategy against a very quick and excellent boxer like Sergio "Brown pride" Martinez. Yes he flipped heads in the rematch, but it's still 1 - all,..and I must say,.. there should be interest in a trilogy from a fans point of view, for what exactly went wrong in 2 interesting fights?... one should ask wether they're really too enthralled by the next Hopkins defence to squeeze another one in :nono: ..?

 

Andrew Golota- size, handspeed, power, jab, combos, the works........and the menality of a clubfighter. A true journeyman.

 

he's as good an example as anyone

had all of the qualities that typically mark a world-class fighter but terribly lacking in brains and in heart

 

Yup. Big waste. Also thought Corrie Sanders had remarkable power and handspeed but he barely cared to hit a gym.

 

Anyone mention Riddick Bowe's D yet?

 

Haye's boxing craft.

 

No mention of Judah yet? He's like Con before Con came around.

A lot of the "video game" specs you'd wants such as hand speed and power.

Not a whole lot more to speak of though. A weak chin is only one part of the problem.

 

Judah was far more talented than Khan.

Faster hands(in his prime) better reflexes, and Zab has TRUE one punch power.

Khan is a sham.

The Judah of 5 years ago would clean Conman's clock, and I'd bet the house on it.

The only reason its a close call now is cause Zab is over the hill.

 

being able to clean Khan's clock doesn't mean much

Judah has always been a hype job with no courage and a shit chin

 

Wlad's composure and possibly his chin are a bit K-Mart considering that every other aspect of the guys game is pretty much grade A.

 

Roy Jones.

He has the heart of a journeyman. He was quite happy to just survive in his fights with Tarver and Calzaghe.