It Makes Me Smile When I Think That.......

.....Jake La Motta is still alive.

 

It's hard to believe, when you think about it

 

Lamotta was a racist and a miscreant who never did get over the arsewhupping Billy Fox served him right what. Haye should try this when he's in his 70's,.. "It was fixed, I was paid not to hurt him".

 

Yep. His title fight was what, 59 years ago???:Lok:

 

Are you implying that the Fox/Lamotta bout was on the level?:say:

 

Which is a bit like (more than a bit, truth told), if you dare imagine, your descendents labelling you, "politically correct," in a negative light, if the world reverted to flagrant & open racism in our societies durng their time.

 

not only that, but look at the way the guy lived post-career... weight fluctuations, illnesses, 2 children dying, SIX marriages... a lot of stress there

 

Well you would know, living in Cronulla. :crafty:

 

:nono: How could we prove Haye wrong?...

 

Moving at the end of the week to Hurstville. Getting in touch with my inner-chi ::

 

Okay I just read the thread. To summarize:

Racists make Irish smile.

/thread.

 

"Curry muncher! Curry muncher!" ...chasing Ramonza down the road.

You could instead move to Fairfield, to get in touch with your inner-che , there's a proud spanish community there, no rednecks.

 

He's a douche that lost 5 of 6 to the best fighter on his resume and was involved in more than 1 fight that was clearly fixed.

I wouldn't say I'd be happier if he was dead, but the fact that he still lives and breathes doesn't make me any happier.

 

Portuguese and Spanish get along like ravens and snakes. I do like Asians though, which puts me in good stead for H-town.

 

That's one way to put it. Losing 5 out 6 to Ray Robinson means you once had a fight with Ray Robinson that Ray didn't win. In boxing, this gets you noticed.

 

Why?

He's a piece of shit rapist. He also used his wives as punching bags.

 

Most of the great boxers did.

 

stick to the topic, this isn't about David Haye

maybe if you were familar with everything surrounding the Fox fight you wouldn't be saying this

It was rumored the fix was in BEFORE THE FIGHT EVEN HAPPENED and after it went down, the hardcore fans/observers knew it was a fraud... read the New York TImes from the day after the fight... the writer, James Dawson, comes right out and in great detail describes the fight and all of the strange circumstance surrounding it and questions its legitimacy...

Lamotta opened a solid betting favorite and then all of the sudden money started rolling in on Fox, to the point where they wouldn't take anymore bets on Fox (but were still willing to take bets on Lamotta!)

seriously, if that fight wasn't a fix, then there's never been one ever

 

LOL, bemoaning the fact that Lamotta was a jerk is pretty humorous

most of these guys are/were jerks

anyway, he was also one of the best fighters of his era, a top middleweight who was denied a shot until he played ball... that's reality

Just because most here are unfamiliar with the middleweight division of the day and have only heard of Ray Robinson, does not mean that he's the only top fighter on his resume... Lamotta beat a lot of top fighters

 

That was in the 1940's. People were forced to economize.

 

my thoughts exactly.

 

Lamotta had subtle defensive skills on par with Pernell Whitaker. Y'all better believe! :hammert:

 

Agreed, it's crazy really.

 

But would you be in a blissful sleep :boring:, when it comes to Delahoya / Hopkins... and rewarding Hopkins a monumental achievement when it comes to a shortlist of greatest victories as it seems to. It had no warf of top hats jiggling around the tote, but it was nevertheless suspicious yes?... :crafty:

 

see what I mean?

this is what you and Irish do all of the time

Take the opinions of one or two guys you argued with who were American and then you project that same viewpoint onto all of us

Hopkins/Hoya? I don't give Bernard a whole lot of credit for beating a guy that had no business at that wieght to begin with... Do I think it was a fix? I really don't know... I think it is at least conceivable to say Oscar may have stayed down on purpose thinking that things might start to get unpleasant for him... but it wasn't exactly an obvious, no-doubt-about-it situation the way Fox/Lamotta was or Perez/Pep... it was far more subtle... I truly don't know the answer to that question, really

I'm as critical of Hopkins as anybody

The bottom line is that if you thought Bill Fox whipped Jake Lamotta legitimately than you didn't know a thing about the fight

 

:crafty: ... Ahhh,..

Hopkins in the corner: Is this one my round, is this one my round? Corner answers "Yes this one's your round"..

"Body shot, body shot, body shot"...

Down goes Oscar by a punch that was as hard as Calzaghe's cup shot.

It's shortly revealed that Hopkins had been signed up as part of Oscar's promotional company.

and to my point,.. David Haye has been in two suspicious fights in his brief heavyweight career,.. both suspicious of fixed outcomes,.. Valuev 'co-promotional deal with Sauerland in exchange for the title'.. and Harrison,..."the fix is in"... on the back of this,.. it would lend Haye some credit for the corrupt swindler that he is, and restore his ego in some way down the line, by claiming "I was paid not to hurt him" ... well, Lamotta may well have chosen a route similar to this. :crafty:

 

Listen, man, you don't know what you are talking about with regards to Fox/Lamotta

stop trying to rewrite history, that fight was absolutely 100% a fix, everybody on Earth knows it, it was proven

The laughable circumstances of the bout were evident to insiders DURING the fight, it was reported on immediately afterwards...

I don't give a rat's ass about David Haye, he's shit, a non-entity

Hopkins? I don't care about that fight either, might have been a fix

thats not the issue... the issue is that you are misrepresenting a well-documented event, one of the most well known dishonest contests in the whole history of the sport... this isn't speculative, it isn't Dempsey/Willard or Willard/Johnson... it's proven, it was fleshed out eons ago

Fox was a guy who had been managed very carefully, fought a whole host of guys who were either nobodies or had been somebodies a long time before... his one step up to the world-class level resulted in a pounding by Gus Lesnevich (who would also ice him in a round after Fox earned a shot at him for "beating" Lamotta) ... he then mysteriously stops Lamotta, get s a shot at Lesnevich for the title and is annihlated and goes back to fighting mostly nobodies for the remainder of his career with limited success... Lamotta, who had been ranked one of the top 4 middleweights EVERY YEAR in the annual RING Magazine rankings (when that actually meant a LOT and carried a lot of weight) from 1943 through 1947, ranked the number one contender two of those years, number two one other year, who could not get a title shot to save his life... he then engages in a sham with Fox, wherein he stands there in a shell while Fox flails away, STILL unable to land anything good on him... there is a reason why it became so notorious and infamous...

As a matter of fact, the performance was so terrible, so unconvincing, and the public sentiment so negative that the resulting stench and backlash from it meant that Lamotta still had to wait another year and a half before Carbo and company would even give him the Cerdan fight,a nd even then he had to cough up $20,000 to the Frenchman!!! That was a full $1000 more than his purse for the fight!

 

See the notion that, ...:crying: there just HAS to be something wrong!... always comes in to effect when the desired fixture doesn't come to pass,.. eveytime a Klitschko wins, there's got to be something wrong. The old white boxing folklore romantics, much like contemporary journalists also needed to propergate protection measures against the legend of the Bronx Bull,..and Billy Fox was an undesireable black fighter, it's come full swing,...some cannot cope with the fact that heroes are not invincible,..if Hopkins loses these days for example.. he's got 'OLD!' on the chiller, it is there awaiting no matter his high-standing in boxings 'chemical race',.. he still had the immunity when Jermaine Taylor beat him twice and now as it happens it was the case he were actually GREEN! as far as his resume is concerned... :: ,.. excuses never end C-dogg,.. excuses were just as rife in Lamotta's era as they are today, atleast with the internet these days we have more sources than the limited press and the filtering of information that ocurred to suit the lower moral standards of the time. Why do you think most old people still alive today vote 'conservative' ?..

 

Kauki, you don't know what the hell you are talking about

the fight was a fucking fix, and everyone knew it

obviously, you are not familiar at all with the bout and all of the circumstances surrounding it

 

:nono: As I told the Irishman, if you don't respect or practice fine tuning the art of reactionary politics, it's hard to get anywhere in this glorious system.

:crafty: Amongst the wink - wink , nudge nudge,.. there are plenty of passive bites let me tell you.