Where does Wlad rank in HW history?

Yeah, fuck everything about that Chambers fight.

 

209-175 = 34.

That is one seriously overweight 175lbr. I can see now why Chambers quit 175, skipped 200 and moved right up to 209.

I wonder did Dundee shame Foreman into getting his act together versus that other fat Light-Heavyweight, who actually fought at light-heavyweight, Mike Moorer.

What did he say?? "You winning all the rounds vs this pfp guy, George, but you don't want this going to the cards, like the Schulz fight...anything could happen"

And then George stepped it up and put the smaller man in his place!

IT HAPPENS!!!! IT HAPPENS!!!!

 

Thats a good word. Share. You used it. It suggest someone else is also to blame. Thanks.

Besides, blame is a bad word.

Whats this Wlad said? "Never complain, Never Explain". ::

Anyhoo......Steward has the guy fighting smart and fighting clever, conserving his energy, then he sits him down after 8 rounds and starts telling him to go for knockouts and that he doesn't need this going to the cards and that its going to "look bad" etc.

It seems he had the same issues with Taylor and Lewis too.

 

I was seriously impressed by the left-hook he ended it with. Chambers, it seems, was also suitably impressed. Or compressed. He then regressed back down to Cruiser, from whence, it seems, he had never come. So impressed was Chambers that he decided that the heavyweight division was no place for him. Byrd got the same lesson in 2006 and I suggest young Master Haye may yet follow them.

 

There's so much stupidity in this post, I'm not even sure if I should bother. Nevertheless..

1. Unlike heavyweights who don't have a weight limit to make, it's unlikely there are any light heavyweights in the world today who actually weigh 175 lbs on fight night. 185 or so is the most common ring weight I've heard of.

2. Yes, Chambers is/was seriously overweight, and it was readily apparent on the night he fought Klitschko. He easily had 24 lbs to lose (for 185), and probably 34.

3. You deserve to be subjected to excruciating torture for comparing Michael Moorer to Eddie Chambers.

4. George Foreman wasn't winning rounds in a boring fashion against Michael Moorer and clinching him every time he got close because he was scared of a light heavyweight. He was a fat, slow 45 year old getting severely outclassed against a younger, faster opponent. Imagine a prime George Foreman against Eddie Chambers..

 

Or Jimmy Young!!!!


I never compared Eddie Chambers to Mike Moorer. I merely highlighted one difference, namely that Eddie is a career HW and that Mike started at 175.

 

1. Jimmy Young was both bigger and better than Eddie Chambers.

2. Foreman was no longer in his prime against Young.

3. It doesn't matter that Moorer started at 175. He was also bigger and better than Chambers, who should be a light heavyweight. You bringing it up as though it's relevant is just further evidence of your crippling stupidity. Floyd Jr started at 130 lbs and Juan Diaz was a fat career lightweight. Knocking out the tubby and considerably less skilled Diaz must be the more impressive feat.

 

:clapagain::clapagain:

We will make a believer of you yet my son!!!!

 

You did ask, "whats a prime?" in the other thread. I see no one answered adequately.

 

Precisely. Now, if in 1977 Foreman was past his prime...to come back and win the Heavyweight Title some 18 years past him being past his prime, either

1. George Foreman has instilled in him the power of the Holy Spirit or

2. Well....figure it out.

 

If you're trying to say that the division was terrible in 1994 because Moorer got knocked out by Foreman - let alone being anywhere near as terrible as it is now - that's retardation on another level.

 

What I am saying is that a former WBO 175lb champion fighting a guy 17 years past his prime for the Unified Heavyweight Championship strikes me as an odd back-drop for one to conduct a campaign of devaluation against the current division

 

Are you aware of who that former 175 lb champion beat before he defended his title against the guy 17 years past his prime?

Are you aware of why he fought the guy 17 years past his prime?

Are you aware of how long that guy 17 years past his prime actually managed to remain the unified champion?

Are you aware of who the other fighters in the division were at the time in that year, the year preceding, and the year succeeding?

 

Yeah he beat the former 190lb Champ, a man who won a medal in the Olimps at Light-Heavy, and who made his pro debut weighing around 177lbs. That mans name was EVAN FIELDS!

Because he had spoken to you beforehand and you gave him the heads-up on how fucked Big George was. Supposedly was. Just kidding. Seriously, I am assuming there was politics involved. Which of course raises as many more issues as it dismisses.

Not very long. Which might have as much to do with politics, again, as it did with the murderers row of guys that George fought. As long as George remained Champion, it should have been a lot less, considering that Schulz beat him. Never fight in America. :nono:

Sure. I agree with you. The division had more good fighters then than it does now. Which raises the question as to why the former WBO 175lb guy was fighting a guy 17 years beyond his prime for the Unified title.

 

What about the Mohawk slav?.. Das was dey one!!! ..for that particular time, ...was he before Golota?. He was a hard little goonie.

 

Whoops,.. wrong thread,.. meant to be in the 'chin' one.

 

Americans started playing lucrative games of basketball RIGHT as the fucking wall came down. Riddick Bowe was left behind to turn off the lights. Golota lucked out baby, he lucked out.

 

The average salary for a basketball player increased exponentially in the early 90s, along with the cultural impact and popularity of basketball. At the same time, boxing declined greatly in popularity in the late 80s/early 90s due to it being taken off of network TV. Those factors inarguably played a huge role in the decline of American heavyweights today.

There are other lesser factors as well, such as the streetfighting of the 70s and early 80s being replaced with the gunfighting of the late 80s and 90s. The street fighting kids who would have been taken under a boxing trainer's wing in the 70s or early 80s (a la Mike Tyson, Hector Camacho, et al) would never have been discovered in the 90s - "things done changed."

Finally, the crux of your argument seems to be that American heavyweights seem lesser than they were now that they're facing off against the heavyweights who in the 80s and early 90s would've been trapped behind the Iron Curtain. I know I've said this before, but you're being a fucking moron, so please stop. Riddick Bowe, Evander Holyfield, and Mike Tyson were all considerably better than either Wlad or Vitali, and every other heavyweight from the former Soviet Union just plain sucks ass.

 

And he's one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time!

The issue of politics in boxing is entirely separate from the issue of the quality of fighters in a specific division.

 

Fuck sake.

 

Did you know also that Protestants arrived in Ireland to keep an eye on the primitive Catholics? Because thats right up there with the twin, and merging, phenomena of lucrative basketball and the collapse of communism.

 

Yeah, because hoop dreams only became common around then. Prior to that, nobody had played basketball and boxing had always been on TV.

Oh dear.

The Iron Curtain covered more than the Soviet Union. Golota was from Poland. What a coincidence, what a sheer coincidence, that the rise of basketball just HAPPENED to take place at the EXACT moment that the first professionals from the Eastern Bloc began to approach their professional apogee. I guess Mike was destined for basketball too, all 5'11" of him, before Cus swiped him up???

 

Its 20 years now - can you think of a single eastern block fighter you'd have in an all time p4p top 100 list? Darius Michaelskisdkjsbkhsgfkoi might well make the top 200 and he'd probably be the only one.

C'mon man.

 

How many of the early American prizefighters fit into that category???? Thats a hell of a control test, 20 years worth of background testing. Give it another 20 and lets see. Fuck it, 20 years ago a guy like Adamek would have been rather tasty, now he's just another euro scrub it seems. How does one account for the sudden success of BRITISH fighters??? Did Calzaghe and Hatton do great things because of BASKETBALL?? :dunno: Are the Aaron Pryors and Cervantes of this world all now hitting 60,70 Home Runs a season, paving the way for Amir Khan???

 

I didn't say that. I said that basketball exploded in popularity and lucrativeness at the same time or shortly after boxing declined. I've noticed you often use sarcasm as a vehicle for intellectual laziness or dishonesty.

Again, none of these fighters are really worth a damn in comparison to the American heavyweights I already mentioned.

Tyson would've very likely been a fullback in the NFL, he had the exact size and physical talent for it. Or maybe he would've just been a street thug all his life. Who knows?

I think it's pretty hilarious that you try to imply that American fighters suck now because they're getting beaten by superior Eastern Bloc fighters, but then turn around and contradict yourself with your rationalization for why (and thus implicit admission) the Eastern Bloc hasn't really produced any amazing talents.

 

No early prizefighter from anywhere would be on a top p4p 100 list. For modern Eastern Bloc fighters, the sport is already evolved, unlike when early American prizefighters were fighting. Further, it's not as if the sport didn't exist in the Eastern Bloc until 20 years ago.

Like Hut said, for fuck's sake..

 

I dunno what you're doing with this post. You're about 25 IQ posts north of this.

......1) Cant have it both ways, either they've been a big factor in Americas decline the last 20 years or not (obviously not) 2) Boxing had just been invented. Eastern Block countries have been boxing in the amateur for generations. And 20 years is about a quarter of the time boxing in it's fully developed state has existed. Pretty good sample size.

Would Aaron Pryor now be a basketballer? No, but he probably wouldn't have spent his youth in boxing gyms either. THATS THE FUCKING POINT. And in the off chance he would have the competition he faced to spur him on,the depth of knowledge in the gyms he went to etc wouldn't have been what it was in the 70s.

British boxing has possibly improved a little bit. Honestly not very much, IMO.

 

But, but, but, but...!!!!

 

Ah yes, the inevitable arrival of the class weakling on the safe fringes of the schoolground fight.

Tell me......the next American Heavyweight champion.......what will be the reasoning for his being champion? That as a child he successfully evaded the grasp of the basketball and football agents, and doggedly pursued a career in fighting, so imbued had his character and spirit become by the tales of yore??

Seeing as basketball is so lucrative, and Dirk Nowitzki is such a talent, why did the Klitschkos not go into basketball like Sabonis, Stanky, Nowitzki etc??

:dunno:

Why is this paradigm not in equal effect either side of the pond????

 

You are, of course, 100% correct and logical here, man

but it doesn't matter

to Irish, this is all just some american bias thing

Honestly I never once in my life rooted for a guy because he was "American"