Battle of the one dimensional left hookers. Both men had TNT in the left hook, Ruddock probably a bit more than Frazier. Both men could be hurt and dropped. Now we're not talking about the post-Tyson Ruddock here and CERTAINLY NOT the post Lewis living memory. No we're talking about the Ruddock of the Bonecrusher, Dokes and Tyson fights. In the same way we're not talking about post Foreman Frazier or even post Ali 1 Frazier but the Prime Frazer of the first Ali and Ellis fights. Ruddock took everything Tyson had to offer and Tyson had more than Frazier power in BOTH HANDS. Still Joe would be a different animal to Tyson. What transpires? Ruddock fucks him up that's what! He's bigger and stronger and may get dropped at some point but he'll get up laughing and proceed to KO Joe in about 6.
I kinda saw this one coming, Sly, I gotta say. It's the same as the Tua-Frazier thread, just with a new name.
Muhammad Ali must have really sucked, losing to two guys Sly consistently picks to get killed by fringe heavyweights Anyway, Frazier is so much better than Ruddock it is ridiculous
Styles.... Ali didn't have the power to knock out Frazier or Norton..and Ali was slower, very hittable and less powerful in the 70s anyway. Ruddock would deal with a small heavyweight like Frazier in the worst way.
Fuck Frazier! :: He's the most overrated Heavyweight in history. He beats a RUSTY Ali, who could no longer dance for 3 rounds let alone 15, was no longer elusive...beats tiny Bob Foster, Beats mediocre Jimmy Ellis, goes life and death with Oscar Bonavena and suddenly he's the GREAT heavyweight that would beat 230+ lb guys with one punch power. Last I checked, the only 220+lb fighter with power he faced all but anally raped him without lube.
Interesting match up while Frazier clearly was the greater fighter, and is severly underated by most, he would face a bad style matchup against Ruddock. there's 2 possibility here. either Ruddock ko him relatively easilly in the early rounds, or Frazier grinds him down for a late stopppage or UD. I'd take the first option, but not with a lot of confidence
Because of his style, Frazier would have huge trouble against many super-heavyweights, I'd pick guys like Bowe, Lennox, Wlad etc beat him up bad. However, even though Ruddock was in their class as a puncher, he wasn't very good otherwise. He wasn't good inside fighter and unlike Lennox or Wlad, he didn't have many weapons to keep his man outside either, his jab was medicore, he didn't move too well, he lacked sharpness. If Ruddock was able to time a perfect counter, he might be able to follow up to get a W, but in all likelihood Frazier chops him down eventually
People act as though being blown out by a peak Foreman DQs Frazier against every puncher ever born, which I just cant understand at all. If a mack truck kills me, every car on the road then would, too? Or they use that ridiculous point that he fought a hard, close bout & was floored by Bonavena, which is retarded beyond belief & I dont even correct anymore, its so obvious why thats flawed.
Anyway, Frazier wins a very unanimous decision, and he might have to get up from a first or second round knockdown to do so Foreman had to put Frazier down SIX FUCKING TIMES and he STILL got up Ruddock isn't fit to wash Foreman's cup
Frazier may have gotten up 6 times but when he got up he couldn't do shit. Getting up is one thing..getting up and being able to fight back is something else. guys like Joe Louis and Larry Holmes could consistently get up and fire back. Frazier would get up against Foreman and just be a punching back. I give him no respect for getting bounced 6 times. Overrated fucker!
btw...even though I disagree with your pick you get mad respect from me for saying Frazier wins a decision as opposed to wining by KO. You also said that Frazier may get bounced a couple times on route. It shows that you don't just have a kneejerk reaction to these types of matchups and actually think about it logically. Most people would just simplistically think: "Frazier is the first man to beat Muhammad Ali and Ruddock couldn't beat Tyson or Lewis..so Frazier fucks him up easily by early KO"
Frazier had atendency to get buzzed or hurt at times, usually in the opening round or the second round My problem with people picking EVERY GUY UNDER THE SUN to KEEP him there is that only ONE Man ever did--- and he was one of the most unusual men that ever fought... every body else that got excited about hurting Frazier early found themselves backed to the ropes and battered over and over with the left hook... all night Frazier was one of these guys who seemed to fight better after getting staggered a bit or knocked down, like he fed off of it, it motivated him... thats one of the reaosns why people bitching about the seocnd Ali fight and Tony Perez mixing up the time after Ali had buzzed Frazier always annoys the shit out of me... Ali couldn't have kncoked him out in a million tries, he wasn't going to do it that night either
Frazier never fought any other big heavyweights (220+) with a HARD punch though, unless I'm mistaken.
Ruddock was a tough son of a bitch before Lennox Lewis erased that forever (I think Tyson had chipped away at it too)....and his left hookercut was RIDICULOUS. Frazier would beat him on workrate and infighting, no doubt...but Ruddock had an underrated jab and underrated handspeed (especially with the left bomb)..and was also quite a bit bigger than Joe.
Holmes & Louis werent getting up to be effective against Foreman, Sly. Im confident Frazier could ge off the deck to work effectively against Galento or Snipes.
:: nice. I disagree though. I think both men would have gotten up and fired back at Foreman...and had some success. Whether that success would have translated to a victory is something different though. In both cases it's a toss up IMO as well as the opinions of most boxing observers.
Louis, maybe --- he had great composure under fire, & the punch to turn Foremans lights out. No chance with Holmes. He lacked the power to turn a losing fight with Foreman on its head quickly, & was too ill-disciplined when wounded. None of that precludes Frazier from outclassing a comparative also-ran like Ruddock, either.
