Overeem could quit MMA to fight Vitali Klitschko

:giggle::giggle:

 

Yeah. I can....and did. Neither are particularly dangerous.

 

Meaning what?

 

:bears::bears: I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit....

 

it's not dangerous if you're a fag and fight like one.

 

Define "dangerous".

 

don't be silly. all combat sports have physical risk involved especially when your intentions are to be competitive. like i said, even if you want to take a bruce seldon'esque approach, you kinda have to have gone through enough to place yourself in a position to cashout.

i guess it's not 'dangerous' if your making your amateur or pro debut and decide in the first few seconds that you're gonna lay down.

 

Joony--You and I agree on this almost 100%. But keep in mind, this is all in response to RJJ's claim that MMA fighters don't have the "balls" to step in the ring with elite boxers.

So with that as the basis for the discussion, any MMA fighter could step into a boxing ring for the first time with the most dangerous boxer alive and not be in any real danger. At the first sign of punishment, they can simply go Bruce Seldon.

 

yup. i agree.

 

I'd like to see how not dangerous boxing or MMA is to TLC after I spar with him and break his jaw with the first flush hook I land.

 

TLC would probably whoop you. ::

 

Not dangerous at all if he falls down from the first breeze and quits.

 

It's on at the same time as boxing, is a Pay Per View fighting sport like boxing.

And people like MMA more than they like boxing these days.

 

Personally I've been more entertained by boxing overall this year. There have been some stinkers on both sides but boxing has been on it's 'A' game and provided some good match-ups so far this year. Meanwhile, injuries have limited several MMA cards.

But I see your point.

 

Threatened by what? Boxing is much more popular worldwide. Worldwide how many promotions are doing good? Most are going out of business.

 

What is that based on? MMA promotions are folding or getting bought out left and right. Don King and Arum have been promoting for years.

 

Not all the time. Dana avoids most of the big fight dates. And just because it's a combat sport doesn't make it that similar.

 

Do you actually put effort in to being this ridiculous?

Honestly, even the most avid hater of MMA realizes that the popularity of MMA has been one of the fastest growing while boxing has declined.

Even in Vegas, where boxing once reigned supreme, the new bully in town is MMA specifically the UFC.

And just out of curiosity, what are all the MMA promotions going out of business. You said "most are going out of business". I can name the 4 most popular current promotions world wide and none are "out of business". How about you, can you list the "most" that are going out of business.

Seriously, it's like someone occasionally parks the short yellow bus in front of this forum... Damn.

 

Based on what facts? Pride folded in Japan. Cage Rage folded in the UK. What promotions am i missing?

Not to mention DK shut down Shine promotions ::

 

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[SIZE=-1]MAIN EVENT
VENUE/PROMOTER/TV[/SIZE] ​

</TD><TD height=35 width="9%">

[SIZE=-1]DATE[/SIZE]​

</TD><TD height=35 width="15%">

PAID ATTENDANCE​

</TD><TD height=35 width="18%">

GROSS
SALES​

</TD></TR><TR><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="4%">1</TD><TD height=30 width="52%">FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR vs. OSCAR DE LA HOYA
MGM, Golden Boy, Don Chargin, PPV </TD><TD height=30 width="9%" align=middle>

05/05/07​

</TD><TD height=30 width="15%">

17,078​

</TD><TD height=30 width="18%">

$ 18,419,200.00​

</TD></TR><TR><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="4%">2</TD><TD height=30 width="52%">LENNOX LEWIS vs. EVANDER HOLYFIELD II
Thomas and Mack, Don King, PPV</TD><TD height=30 width="9%" align=middle>

11/13/99​

</TD><TD height=30 width="15%">

17,078​

</TD><TD height=30 width="18%">

$ 16,860,300.00​

</TD></TR><TR><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="4%">3 </TD><TD height=30 width="52%">EMMANUEL PACQUIAO vs. OSCAR DE LA HOYA
MGM, Golden Boy, Top Rank, PPV</TD><TD height=30 width="9%" align=middle>12/06/08</TD><TD height=30 width="15%">

14,468​

</TD><TD height=30 width="18%">

$ 14,380,300.00​

</TD></TR><TR><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="4%">4</TD><TD height=30 width="52%">EVANDER HOLYFIELD vs. MIKE TYSON II
MGM, Don King, PPV </TD><TD height=30 width="9%" align=middle>

06/28/97 ​

</TD><TD height=30 width="15%">

16,279 ​

</TD><TD height=30 width="18%">

$ 14,277,200.00 ​

</TD></TR><TR><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="4%">5 </TD><TD height=30 width="52%">EVANDER HOLYFIELD vs. MIKE TYSON I
MGM, Don King, PPV </TD><TD height=30 width="9%" align=middle>

11/09/96 ​

</TD><TD height=30 width="15%">

16,103 ​

</TD><TD height=30 width="18%">

$ 14,150,700.00 ​

</TD></TR><TR><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="4%">6 </TD><TD height=30 width="52%">MIKE TYSON vs. PETER MC NEELEY
MGM, Don King, PPV </TD><TD height=30 width="9%" align=middle>

08/19/95 ​

</TD><TD height=30 width="15%">

16,113 ​

</TD><TD height=30 width="18%">

$ 13,965,600.00 ​

</TD></TR><TR><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="4%">7 </TD><TD height=30 width="52%">FELIX TRINIDAD vs. OSCAR DE LA HOYA
Mandalay Bay, Top Rank, Don King, PPV </TD><TD height=30 width="9%" align=middle>

09/18/99 ​

</TD><TD height=30 width="15%">

11,184 ​

</TD><TD height=30 width="18%">

$ 12,949,500.00 ​

</TD></TR><TR><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="4%">8 </TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="52%">BERNARD HOPKINS vs. OSCAR DE LA HOYA MGM, Top Rank, Golden Boy, PPV </TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="9%" align=middle>

09/18/04 ​

</TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="15%">

15,672 ​

</TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="18%">

$12,782,650.00 ​

</TD></TR><TR><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="4%">9</TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="52%">JOE CALZAGHE vs. BERNARD HOPKINS
Thomas & Mack, Golden Boy, Don Chargin, HBO</TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="9%" align=middle>04/19/08</TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="15%">

14,345 ​

</TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="18%">

$ 11,636,400.00 ​

</TD></TR><TR><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="4%">10</TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="52%">FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR vs. SHANE MOSLEY
MGM, Golden Boy, Don Chargin, PPV </TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="9%" align=middle>05/01/10</TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="15%">

14,038 ​

</TD><TD height=30 vAlign=top width="18%">

$ 11,032,100.00​

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

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DATE </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px solid" vAlign=bottom width=96 align=middle>PAID ATTENDANCE</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px solid" vAlign=bottom width=137>

GROSS
SALES​

</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>1</TD><TD vAlign=top>CHUCK LIDDELL vs. TITO ORTIZ II
MGM, Zuffa, PPV</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>12/30/06</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>12,191</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$5,397,300.00</TD></TR><TR><TD height=33 vAlign=top>2</TD><TD height=33 vAlign=top>BROCK LESNAR vs. FRANCISCO MIR
Mandalay Bay, Zuffa, PPV</TD><TD height=33 vAlign=top align=middle>07/11/09</TD><TD height=33 vAlign=top align=middle>9,764</TD><TD height=33 vAlign=top align=left>$5,101,740.00</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>3</TD><TD vAlign=top>GEORGES ST. PIERRE vs. MATT HUGHES
Mandalay Bay, Zuffa, PPV</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>12/29/07</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>9,704</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$4,994,050.00</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>4</TD><TD vAlign=top>BROCK LESNAR vs. RANDY COUTURE
MGM, Zuffa, PPV</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>11/15/08</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>10,845</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$4,793,675.00</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>5</TD><TD vAlign=top>QUINTON JACKSON vs. CHUCK LIDDELL
MGM, Zuffa, PPV</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>05/26/07</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>13,224</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$4,304,740.00</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>6</TD><TD vAlign=top>GEORGES ST. PIERRE vs. B.J. PENN
MGM, Zuffa, PPV</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>01/31/09</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>13,622</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$4,290,020.00</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>7</TD><TD vAlign=top>BROCK LESNAR vs. SHANE CARWIN
MGM, Zuffa, PPV</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>07/03/10</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>9,218</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$4,053,990.00</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>8</TD><TD vAlign=top>RASHAD EVANS vs. QUINTON JACKSON
MGM, Zuffa, PPV</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>05/29/10</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>13,295</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$3,895,125.00</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>9</TD><TD vAlign=top>B.J. PENN vs. SEAN SHERK
MGM, Zuffa, PPV</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>05/24/08</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>13,448</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$3,732,000.00</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>10</TD><TD vAlign=top>ANDERSON DA SILVA vs. VITOR BELFORT
Mandalay Bay, Zuffa, PPV</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>02/05/11</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>9,667</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$3,605,725.00</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

5 Million is MMA's highest grossing gate in Nevada. Boxings is 18 million. I am really threatened.

 

EliteXC. pride. Cage rage. Shine. IFL.

 

Didn't Pride sell for like $70 million to Zuffa? And Cage Rage was owned by Elite XC...

So actually you named 2 promotions that 'went out of business'.. Does that equal "MOST"?

No, but thanks for playing...

So simple.

 

Shine still exists.

 

Get real.. The UFC has held more than average of 1.3 events per month over the last 2 years. They've had 2-3 million dollar gates in 6 countries over the same period. And they've had 3-5 million dollar gates at separate events in 4 different countries over the same period.

No one gives a shit about Holyfield-Lewis. We're talking about growth of the sport. And in that regard, there isn't even a freaking remote comparison. Boxing is not growing. It is declining.

Meanwhile the UFC is about a month away from a multi million dollar live gate sell out in YET another country when they hold UFC 134 from Brazil on August 27th.

Yeah, there's a comparison between the growth of the sports... My ass.

 

Thanks... So RJJ's new math is 1 equals MOST....

Write it down folks.