Which 140lbers Would You Give...

I don't think so, man... dont get me wrong, he's three times the fighter Tito was, but
a) welterweight is big for him
b) he doesn't carry enough power there to really be effective against a big welterweight with his style...
c) His great punch resistance would be tested pretty severely

I don't know, maybe he would have looked different at 147 if he had jumped in 1990... but I doubt it, frankly, at least against a huge hitter like Felix

 

I think it's equally idiotic to dismiss Tito's chances against a WW Whitaker as it is to say that Whitaker wasn't a good Welterweight.

Tito was a very good Welterweight. People forget this because of how bad he looked in the DLH fight, but there was a good reason why the DLH-Tito fight was a 50-50 affair (I had picked Tito to win by KO). No fucking guarantee that tiny Pernell Whitaker would have been able to beat a prime Tito at that weight.

 

Nah, it's a guarantee

way too skillful for Trinidad

 

And Trinidad was always a robotic guy in love with his punch, ALWAYS

he just wasn't in there with anyone all that good before Hoya, so there was no one to expose it

but he fought the same exact way his whole career with that idiot father of his never making any adjustments

 

just curious but how do you fellows think the welterweight chavez who faced whitaker would have done if he was up against trinidad that evening? my guess is trinidad would have busted his head wide open.

 

With his style & size, I cant see Chavez beating Trinidad, IMO.

Trinidad is made for Whitaker, guys. Be serious.

 

I'll clarify what I meant. Whitaker was a great fighter. As a welterweight, I don't think he was nearly as great for the weight class as he was at lower weights. As a welterweight, he has several performances that suggest that he would not beat the greats at the weight:

Such as: Rivera 1, Rivera 2, Pestriav, Hurtado, Tito, and DLH.

As a welterweight, his best performances were:

JC Vazquez (jm), Chavez (jw+), McGirt 1, McGirt 2.

That's not bad, but it's not that good, either.

On an all-time welterweight list of how fighters would fare against each other, I think Whitaker would be lower than Tito and I think there would be plenty of fighters in-between them. I don't have a list made up so if I'm wrong, show me.

 

whitakers performance in the first fight with mcGirt was nothing impressive.

 

I count it because I thought McGirt fought extremely well and I thought Whitaker clearly won it (although not all did). That's the fight where I thought McGirt was basically a right-handed version of Whitaker and since they were both undersized, skilled welterweights it makes for a good performance by Whitaker to win.

If you don't count the fight, it's just one less performance on Whitaker's plus side of the ledger.

 

tito would've had to drop 2 additional pounds.

 

Lucky Trinidad isn't one of the greats.

 

In fairness, if you're talking about a list but don't have one to show your claims, shouldn't you be showing us something?

 

Chavez would've been stopped, for mine. I just can't see a guy Chavez's size, with his style, staying with Trinidad's size & punch. Trinidad would find him early, & even Chavez's legendary chin would've caved at one point of another. If it did not, the ref would need to halt proceedings manually. Chavez had neither the defense or offense at 147 to hang with a big, aggressive, power-hitting fighter like Trinidad.

Even if it somehow turned into a give-&-take war, Trinidad had world-class courage & lungs.

 

Trinidad would've pounded Chavez, just like DLH did. And Trinidad would've gotten schooled by Whitaker, just like DLH did. Except moreso.

 

Agreed. Chavez was just not a welterweight. The style matchup makes it even worse.

 

That's one fight Trinidad would have won clearly. Chavez wasn't a welterweight, and Trinidad is more like a 154 pounder with a punch. Awful style matchup for Chavez too.

Oscar didn't get schooled by Whitaker by the way. It was a close fight.

 

Yep. ODLH missed a lot and Whitaker used some theatrics to try and emphasize it. Maybe Pernell "schooled" Oscar during a few exchanges but certainly not for the fight.

Decision could have gone either way. Because the scores were too lopsided in Oscar's favor there has been a lot of revisionism.

Although De La Hoya was not a small guy Whitaker was his first fight at welter as well.

 

Yep, that's pretty much exactly how I see it. And I'm hardly an Oscar fan.

 

delahoya had no right hand and was garbage against southpaws. trinidad matched up better against whitaker.

 

A drastically inferior Whitaker to the one De La Hoya fought, sure.

 

Im not basing anything on trinidad's actual fight against whitaker. trinidad was at the end of the line by then at welterweight and shouldve moved up a few years prior (and actually did).

 

Im not basing it on trinidad's actual fight against whitaker. trinidad was at the end of the line by then at welterweight and shouldve moved up a few years prior (and actually did).

 

Who was already a drastically inferior one to the one Chavez fought

 

No argument.

 

yup