Cotto vs Margarito II Finalized in MSG

No he didn't dominate like De La Hoya did...but he wasn't having a hard time in there..he was winning comfortable....


So there is no middle ground between having an easy time/domination(what Tito and DLH) or having a difficult time/going through HELL(Forrest/Vargas)??.....FAGS!!!

 

I would love to see Cotto make Margarito shit on himself in the middle of the ring with a body shot.

 

Margarito is Medically Cleared, Cotto Weight at 150?

http://www.boxingscene.com/margarito-medically-cleared-cotto-weight-150--42308

If this fight is @150 then this will give Cotto a advantage IMO. Emmanuel Stewart said that Cotto ideal weight is between 147-154. I think they are going to try to win this on speed. Margarito wont be as strong @150 then he would be 154.

Thoughts????

 

This is not the 150 lb. title, it's the 154 lb. title. You wanna be a 154 lb. champ? Fight there.

 

Cotto by decision

 

I usually agree, but fuck Margarito. Make him come in @ 135.

 

I know whom I WANT to win... Cotto, obviously

It's a weird fight to pick... Do I believe that Margarito was loading them up long before the Mosley fight? It's definitely plausible... why would you suddenly decide to do so against an old guy who everyone saw as being past prime and vulnerable? So, yeah I do think it's highly likely he was cheating against Miguel Cotto in what amounted to a career-defining fight

But I also think Cotto's vulnerabilities were evident long before he lost to Margarito... he doesn't take pressure or punches very well... he has a lot of heart and courage, but he is a guy suceptible to being hurt... I guess, what I am wondering is whether or not you would even need wraps at this point to beat him... Maybe just being durable and being busy is enough at this point... and all other things aside, it is difficult to forget what we saw when they fought... Cotto boxed real nice at times, he landed some of his best shots but he could not deter Margarito, and there was no cement on his chin...

Both men are faded. It's not just wraps, Margarito is even slower and more hittable now than ever, which is saying something... But I have a hard time shaking the image of the original match from my head, and we don't truly know what was or was not in Margarito's gloves that night...

Margarito, the KO loss to Mosley regardless, is still the more durable man, Cotto is still the more skilled and talented man... The roles haven't really changed in relation to each other... the question mark again is the gloves

You have to assume that unless they are a bunch of mongoloids, Cotto's people will be observing the pre-fight tape-ups with a Hawk's vigilance... If Margarito was using wraps in that first fight, it will show in this one, because Miguel will handle the incoming a lot better than he did the first time, like I said, they are both faded guys now...

I'm thinking Miguel is able to keep up what he was doing well in the first fight, outbox this guy and win a clear decision, though I think a strong possibility exists of Margarito quitting late in the fight... I hope Miguel batters him, frankly, but I'm expecting a more cautious, careful performance

official pick: COTTO W12 UD

highly unofficial weird gut feeling: Margarito remains on his stool after 10

 

I can't believe that some of you are questioning whether Margs gloves were loaded in the first fight!!??? Hell we all knew Marg was bigger and physically stronger than Cotto before the fight....... and then after thoroughly outboxing Marg for the first half of the fight...every punch that landed on cotto started busting him up. Within a couple rounds, Cotto went from unmarked to looking like he just flew facefirst through a car windshield. Of course Margs gloves were loaded. Cotto wins this easily with room to spare.

 

IMO, the fact Cotto made it to round eleven, on even terms no less (in terms of the cards, though Margarito was definitely starting to come on hard) convinces me that, if you believe Margarito was loaded (& I see it as sensical he was), Cotto would've won without the wraps issue.

They make a huge, huge difference to a fight's complexion.

 

I hope Cotto beats the shit out of Margarito to the point where The Plastered Bastard looks like Cotto did in the 11th round of their fight, and then finishes him with a perfect left hook to the body that has Margarito squealing like Ned Beatty.

 

I thought it was pretty clear from my post that I basically believe his gloves were loaded

 

Tell that to Pacquiao.

 

you probably will be upset when cotto gets beatdown again

 

There's absolutely no evidence that Margarito's gloves were loaded vs. Cotto, just so we're clear.

 

Good post. I dont know what to think about this fight either. I'm not 100% sold on the hand wrap issue. I think it was just the relentless pressure and desire that won the fight for Margarito. Cotto eventually folded under so much pressure. I also think Cotto fought the wrong fight. He was burning too much energy early on the first fight. Either way the rematch will answer many questions. If it really was the hand wraps we will find out.

 

Y'all are dreaming.

Cotto's going to get butchered. BUTCHERED. He can't handle the pressure that Margarito is going to bring.

For argument sake, let's assume that Margarito did indeed have funky handwraps last time and it had the increased effect. The fact that he wouldn't this time would indeed give him less of an advantage.

"However" (Copywright Muzse)

What we mustn't forget is that Cotto of today is a man that has been ABUSED twice: pummelled into submission by both Margarito and Pacquiao. he's not the undefeated version of the first fight.

Therefore even if Margarito is less formidable today as a result of not having the funky wraps...Cotto is actually even less formidable comparitively as a result of the vicious beatings he's endured since..PLUS the fact that he'll be facing a guy that's stopped him before.

At the very least it evens out which means that Margarito will stop him again.

 

The extreme state of Cotto's face is pretty compelling evidence, to me. FWIW, I don't see any evidence that they were loaded in any fight before that. No unusual facial damage in any previous fights.

 

It's a fascinating fight, I must admit. I really hope Cotto wins.

 

U Didn't See Margarita vs. Sebastian Lujan???...By the End of the Fight, a Large Portion of 1 of Lujan's Ears was LITERALLY DETACHED from the Side of his Head...Probably THE Most Grotesque Boxing Injury REED's EVER Seen...



REED:hammert:

 

Fair enough but let's not forget Margarito took a massive beating from Manny Pac, damn near career ending. I wont even get into the Mosley Beating. Based on what I know, Cotto is going to use speed to win this fight. Reports in the PR news paper say Cotto is already looking trim (around 160) and the fight maybe contracted @150. I have a feeling Stewart is gonna have Cotto use that jab over-time.

 

There's Absolutely No Evidence that Margarita's Gloves WEREN'T Loaded vs. Cotto Either...Margarita DOES NOT Deserve the Benefit of the Doubt...


REED:nono:

 

I forgot about that. Very interesting........

 

Yeah. It would be curious if he loaded for Lujan, then stopped loading for 5, 6 fights then loaded again for Cotto, though.

And although it's all speculation either way, purely going on the facial damage it doesn't look like he was loading for the fights immediately preceding the Cotto fight.

Appearances might be deceptive.....but you also gotta wonder how many fights a guy can get away with loading without somebody noticing. For instance lets say there's a 85% chance of getting away with it in a given fight - over 4 fights that becomes just about 50/50. Over 6 fights there's nearly a 2/3 chance of getting caught. And that's going on there only a 15% in a given fight.

I just personally find it difficult to believe Margarito got caught on say his 10th or 15th time loading. I find that very unlikely.

But we don't know.

 

By the POWER of Boxrec, Let's Investigate...

The Fight PRIOR to Lujan was a LOSS to Daniel Santos...The Fight AFTER Lujan was Cintron...Margarita Knew Going Into the Lujan Fight that he'd B Featured in the ESPN PPV Main Event by Beating Lujan...Next Thing we Know, Lujan's Left Hear is Literally DANGLING from the Side of his Head...To REED's Recollection, that's an UNPRECEDENTED Boxing Injury...

After Cintron was Manuel Gomez, then Clottey, then the Loss to Paul Williams...Followed by Wins Over Golden's Johnson, Cintron Again, then Cotto...

By Faaaaaaar, the Biggest FIGHT & Biggest THREAT Margarita Faced Up to that Point was Cotto...Why oh Why would Margarita Elect to Cheat vs. Sugar Shane, a Guy that Cotto had Already Beaten, a Guy that Margarita was HEAVILY FAVORED to Beat, but NOT Cheat in the Biggest Fight of his Life vs. Cotto???...Cheating is Bred from INSECURITY & There's Absolutely NO Reason for Margarita to have Been MORE Insecure w/the Prospect of Fighting Mosley, than Cotto...

There was Something UNNATURAL about Cotto's Facial Injuries During that Fight...There was Something even MORE Unnatural about Sebastian Lujan's Ear...A Former Margarita Sparring Partner Spoke Up about Suffering Structural Damage around his Eye's, which is Strange for SPARRING...

Margarita's GUILTY!!!


REED:hammert:

 

I remember reading about that! You bring up some good points brother REED. It dosent look good for Margarita at all.

 

Vs Cotto? Oh yeah, almost certainly. I just don't think the logic holds that he's been doing it all along and in every significant win.

I find that very unlikely. But the Cotto win is pretty much a write off, for me.

 

Probably.

I still wonder how much each guy has left, especially Margarito. I'll feel a little bad for supporting this fight, I don't think Margarito deserves another big payday. He only deserved another good beating.

 

reed would be a poor juror

 

...Says the Perpetually PRO-Margarita kneel...


REED:Lok:

 

i am an unbiased arbiter of the truth