Great Fights you never hear anyone talk about

Brodie v Inchin Chi

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Some folks totally underrate Norton around here. He wasn't a great, but still a very good heavy who would do well in any era.

 

I think JMM is taking a little too much heat here and people are a little fooled by Floyd's and Manny's ability to make weight classes seem irrelevant. Marquez was a superb featherweight who has since gone up to lightweight and smacked around a whole host of top level guys. In an era sans Pacquiao and Mayweather Jr and what they have achieved, JMM would get a lot more credit IMO.

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Part One. Yes. Deffo.

Part Two was one of the biggest disappointments I have had following boxing.

I listened to it on the radio and even over the airwaves, it sounded like Brodie took an absolute pounding.

Today he is potless, I hear. :blackcloud:

 

Comparing JMM to Norton is just ridiculous.

 

for the 80th time, He is better than Ken Norton

but he is WAY FUCKING CLOSER to Ken Norton than he is to a top 15-30 guy like Chavez and he doesn't belong on the same planet as a DUran or Armstorng or Robinson or Whitaker

calling him an ALL-TIME GREAT is way more absurd

 

Mike Weaver KO13 Gerrie Coetzee -- great slugfest, the knockout shot is a rarity for Weaver: a right hand... great shifts in momentum... Weaver was in quite a few good scraps

Matthew (Franklin) Saad Muhammad KO12 Marvin Johnson -- the first fight... The rematch was The RING fight of the year, but the first fight is far better, IMO, hands down the best 175 fight I have ever seen... everyone should see this one

 

i consider marquez closer to chavez than to norton

 

Chavez was way fucking better than JMM

I don't see how anyone could think he's in that class

 

When you say Chavez is a top 15-30 guy, in what context is that?

 

among the top 30 fighters ever, he means.

 

Well, no way would I have Chavez that high, absolutely no chance.

However, I certainly wouldnt have Marquez that high, either.

 

Marquez is much closer to Jcc than he is to Norton.

Neither fighter is anywhere close to top 15 for me

 

Chavez would have pounded Marquez, absolutely pounded him

it's insane how underrated he's become

 

JMM also lost to Chris John, in his prime.

 

marquez would have given chavez quite a battle at 130lbs. if you think that is a one sided fight i dont know what to tell you.

 

It's not one-sided

but neither was Chavez/LaPorte

one is clearly far greater than the other

and there's no question it ends with a lumped-up, bloody Marquez, hurt and floored several times... and that's at 130

at 135, it's an ass-kicking

 

one of these things .. is not like the others ..

JMM got robbed in that fight. Also, nobody is arguing that JMM is top 15-20.

Chavez got gifts against LaPorte, Randall, Whitaker, barely beat Rocky Lockridge (imo), and quit against DLH.

Chavez is seriously the most overrated fighter of all time. There is no top 15-20 fighter ever that would get utterly dominated and humiliated by another fighter in the same weight class and escape with a gift draw. Whitaker is an easy call for top 15-20 ATG, Chavez doesn't belong in that stratum.

 

Two of the fights you mentioned, TWO, happened in his prime

He did not get a gift against LaPorte... that is such horseshit... you act lie it's just an accepted FACT that LaPorte won, that is such complete fucking nonsense... Seriously, that fight was AT BEST a draw if you are being incredibly generous to LaPorte (one of my favorite fighters ever)

Lockridge? another totally overrated "close fight" ... Round after round, the best shots were clearly landed by the champion... Rocky was busy but ineffective

Chavez did not get gifts in those fights, he won them fair and square

As for the others, it's all shit when he's old

Seriously, watch him against Rosario and tell me how the fuck Juan Manuel Marquez, who gets lumped up and shaken fighting off the likes of Michael Katsidis and Juan Diaz, would be able to hang with him... it's fucking outrageous

Tell me if Chavez leaves any room for doubt against the likes of Chris fucking John or Freddie Norwood

 

Mayweather/ Emmanuel Augustus

Simon Brown/Tyrone Trice I

Frank "The Animal" Fletcher/Clint Jackson

Merqui Sosa/Prince Charles Williams I & II

James Toney/Dave Tiberi

 

wow this is some hypocrisy.

 

Kennedy McKinney vs. Welcome Ncita 1: the last round is one of the best ever IMO
Frankie Liles vs. Tim Littles 2: wild and dirty short war
Kevin Kelley vs. Troy Dorsey, Alejandro Gonzalez & Derrick Gainer 1 (everyone talks about the Naseem Hamed fight so that doesn't qualify)

 

There are people here who are basing Marquez being able to "give Chavez a fight" off of those very fights

there is NO hypocrisy

 

great fight

what do you think of Smoger's actions in that one? Did he go outside the bounds of a referee's duties?

 

Hagler/Hearns - great fight but not often mentioned

 

I swear you've watched every fight known to mankind! ::

 

LOL

No, man, there are some weightclasses I know jack shit about... Junior Bantam, Flyweight, etc...

There's even a fighter of recent vintage (Veerapol Sahaprom) who I've seen like ONCE and this fellow is RAVED about as a legitimate bantamweight legend by a lot of folks (the one fight I did see I was impressed for sure, but I couldn't qualify it because I knew nothing about the opponent, you know?)

I've seen a lot of fights but I have talked to some real nutjobs, some on here as well, who have seen twice as many

As for the McKinney/Ncita fight... it was the 11th round and Ncita had taken command in a big way... He staggered McKinney and wobbled him with a follow-up shot... McKinney waved his glove CLEARLY like "no more" and turned his back and started walking towards a corner... Ncita, not sure of what was going on, threw a couple of punches at him and Smoger got in between them and gave McKinney a STANDING EIGHT!! The guy had just waved his glove in clear surrender and turned his back and Smoger gives him the eight! Well guess what? About a minute later, McKinney knocks Ncita out with a monstrous right hand to win the title!

 

Chavez clearly beat Lockridge and LaPorte in my opinion. Back when the fights happened, I hated Chavez with a passion and rooted mightily for Rocky and Juan. But, at the end of the day, Chavez was just more effective.

I hated it, but to argue you otherwise is wrong. In fact, at the time, I was shocked anyone thought Chavez-Lockridge was fought on even terms. It was not. Chavez won at least 8 rounds in my opinion.

 

agree, it wasn't that close

Chavez's win over LaPorte impresses me because when Laporte let his hands go, he was a real beast... every guy he did that with he pushed them back... he made Azumah Nelson fight like Willie Pastrano

LaPorte let it all hang out against JCC, his hands were active the whole night but Chavez still outfought him... Oddly, despite it being a loss, it was probably the greatest performance of Juan's career... he didn't do any of the "hang on, let me allow my opponent to outwork me for 5 minutes while I try to land a perfect shot" or the "let me lay here on the ropes and take shots and then try once in a blue moon to bounce off the ropes with a vicious combination" ... for once, he let his goddamn hands go... everybody else he ever did that to got pushed back in a hurry and had to regroup... Chavez outfought him

 

The one thing that did surprise me about the Lockridge fight was the way Chavez boxed. He didn't appear like the typical all over you pressure guy he was in most fights.