Is Floyd Mayweather a definitive top 20 P4P all timer?

I did make the pick, earlier in the thread

 

you claimed Walcott KO2 Klitschko?

 

i dont see locche doing anything to stop tim from coming forward. bradley is relentless, and locche has nothing to keep him off. stracey kind of beat everyone when they were already done, which is why IMO he gets little recognition although he has a solid resume.

hedge gets way more credit than he deserves (as a fighter) IMO because he trained fighters with eddie futch. good, but not great.

 

LOL, no

I thought you meant Locche W12 Bradley

 

Honestly, man, I don't think Locche WANTS him to stop coming forward... that's what he thrived on... his whole style worked best when a guy kept coming forward, thats when he could do all of the things he liked, turn guys, walk them into jabs and hooks to the body, that's how he tired them out, make 'em miss, you know? I am not impressed in the least with Bradley's offense, his punch selection, variety, none of it... I think you need to be more gifted offensively than he is to beat a peak Locche

as for Hedge, I don't think he gets much credit at all as a fighter... most people haven't heard of him or know him only from the training side, in my experience

I fail to see how he isn't world class, though... skillful, tough, fought the best fighters of the time, beat the majority, fought on competetive terms with about as world-class a guy as you could want in Napoles

 

...been around since secondsout...:Thumbs:

 

So instead of playing the violin, why don't you tell me one thing I said in that post that isn't true?

 

Shit, you're still alive? I was hoping that your inactivity meant you were six feet under.

 

Nah...your brain-numbing foolishness hasn't killed me off yet. Although...your endless agenda-driven revisionism does cause migraines to folks who actually post using facts to back up their points.

 

:atu:

Go away....

 

...is what you say to the truth on a regular basis.

 

Nobody dislikes Floyd anymore than I do. That being said, anyone who claims to be knowledgeable of boxing, who doesn't admit that Floyd is top 20 ever, is just plain old hating. And that holds true even if he fights PAC and loses,...which he unfortunately wouldn't/won't.

 

Also Greb wouldn't amount to much today

 

Manfredy was decent, definitely a good win for the young Floyd.. but nothing special. I haven't seen enough of Hedge Lewis to comment.

Locche would easily beat Bradley, Locche is very good and Bradley isn't.

Agree that Floyd has no Whitaker-Chavez type victory on his resume. IF he beats Pacquiao, then we can start discussing him in top 10 terms. Though I think Floyd would make Pac look completely ordinary in the ring, right now I would rank Pacquiao above him on a historical/all-time basis.

 

Forget it mate. That time is gone. I don't even bother trying to have a reasonable discussion on here anymore. Too many agendas, too many people posting shit they don't believe to get posters riled up. Too many people are suddenly 'playing a role' or 'exaggerating' once they are called out on their stupidity.

C-Dogg had it right: fuck this place.

 

I agree. Which is why I find myself posting less. I've been around here since the beginning and SecondsOut before that and have had a lot of good discussion and fun here over the years. But now I find there are less "discussions" I want to join in on than ever before. There have been some times over the years before when it seemed like the inmates were running the asylum for a while, but things eventually got back to normal. But right now seems like a particularly low point for reasonable discussion.

 

Yup

 

agREED. Mayweather's years of cherry picking in this time frame is what keeps him out of the Top 20. His ACTUAL resume (not the imaginary one in which the fighters he has fought over the past 6 years are made out to be more significant than they really were) isn't good enough to get there. I think it was Jake who said he still has some time and potential fights to raise his ranking...and I agree. But the question is...will he take that path or will we see more of the "same old, same old" from him if he wins the Ortiz fight?

 

While I agree with you big time on this argument, the part in bold bothers me. As boxing fan, we always moan that theyre's way too many weight classes, yet when fighter fight a whooping 7 pounds or 5 pounds over theyr usual weight, we claims he's underweight.

 

I hear you, man

but for whatever reason, he definitely looked "different" there, you know?

 

I don't know, he didn't look any different than against lazcano imo.

Anyway, I'm bored at work so i'll make a topic about it

 

He looked different against Collazo because Collazo is a big WW who he couldn't bully. Floyd and Hatton were essentially the same size, Hatton is in fact the naturally bigger guy. The 7 lbs argument is primarily used by Hatton huggers/Floyd haters to excuse Hatton's loss/diminish Floyd's win.

This has already been debated to death here, though..

 

Thank u.

 

You know what, you guys can go on intellectualizing, rationalizing and justifying, philosophizing, bull-jiving and conniving, whining and revising, bragging and boasting about your expertise, cherrypicking the man's resume, and acting like all around sore losers, but one thing is clear and true...L

The man has beaten everyone placed in front of him. Period.

Like or not, in the eyes of many, including mine, he is an ATG.

Your republican 'the sky is green not blue' games can't change that.