Premier League 2011/12 Season

At 1-1, in any game, anything is possible. TO believe otherwise is to be the sort of team that get beaten. You have to believe that pegging United back opens up avenues for you. Liverpool did it in 2009. United went ahead, Liverpool took their chance and then got a penalty. That made it 2-1 and this time it was United who got analized, not the opposition. And lets not forget that Liverpool went into that game under mad pressure, with the chants of "He's Cracking, Rafa's Cracking Up"..........Liverpool never wilted, kept their head and took their chances.

Missing a penalty vs United is the equivalent of inviting them to take you apart.

 

ah yes - Wenger's actual excuse was that the team was too tired from the Champion's League match the prior Wednesday.

 

Belief and reality are two different things. I don't think we really agree on much ever..... maybe it's anger talking, but your suggestion is not correct, imo.

 

Arsenal have zero confidence right now. Its all upstairs. Liverpool had played Real Madrid in mid-week before travelling up to Manchester for a 12:30 KO vs United when they won 4-1. The hammering of Real helped Liverpool psychologically. Arsenal are rock bottom right now, mentally. Thats whats hurting them.

 

But....... reality is based on belief.
Do Arsenal believe they can win?
No.
And so it is thus......they expect things to go wrong, and so they do.

 

and their belief, or lack of, is based on the reality that they aren't half the team United are right now. they can believe all they want and tie the score 1-1 in the 25th minute it makes no fucking odds they were outclassed and would have been outlcassed regardless of the PK. to use it as an excuse, which Wenger actually didn't do because I doubt even he is that delusional, is folly

 

I fell asleep and missed the match, just woke up to that score. Fucking hell.

I'd 8-2 be an Arsenal fan right now...









...sorry

 

didn't think it could get any worse than second leg champions league semi final @ Emirates vs. manUre + Ronaldo.....

 

Right...and Man United are regarded as having REGRESSED in that same period. What hasn't changed is Arsenals belief about whether they can or can't win it. They don't believe they can beat Man United, especially at Old Trafford. If Wenger can't change that, either directly by force of person, or indirectly through bringing in new players, which can rejuvenate the existing squad, preferably both....then he needs to go. I'm not putting the boot in, I don't celebrate in any Man United Wankfestery any more than you do

 

haha. the reality is that arsenal has regressed even more.... losing Cesc, Clichy & Nasri, along with Gibbs/Sagna/Vermaelan/Wilshere/Song/Frimpong/Gervinho for this particular match. Like I said, believe all you want - makes no odds when you look at the players on the field. The reality is that since that time, during United's "regression" they have signed new players. Quality, experienced, world class players. Arsenal has signed Gervinho, Chamakh and Koscielny..... that's it (under 20 year olds don't count).

 

When Arsenal came to Anfield in December 2009, they went 1-0 down, got a freak equalizer and then went on to win the game 2-1 with an Arshavin wonder strike.

They thrived off the impression that Liverpool had declined, or were in trouble, or that things were always going wrong for Liverpool, that year.....and it worked. They won a game they probably shouldn't, or wouldn't have, at any other time.

What happened to Arsenal today was a reverse of that, just to a more brutal extreme.

Wenger can turn it around---- I would start with some retail therapy if I were him.

 

I will give you this - i think Liverpool is the only team that Arshavin plays with any belief against anymore.

Other than that I think your talking about something that is mostly irrelevant and is not a true factor in that overall scheme of things.

Arsenal snuck out that win because their team had some strength to it. I don't think it had anything to do with some perception that Liverpool were regressing, it was because they had a strong team with Nasri/Cesc/Vermaelen/Gallas and granted an Arshavin that "believed."

Also as for this perception of ManUre regressing, that's pretty much bogus anyway. The team that beat Arsenal back then lost to Barca in the CL final. Fast forward to today and they have won the Prem in dominant fashion and.... lost to Barca in the CL final. they have't regressed at all, and when compared to Arsenal's regression it's not even close.

 

Guess the title is staying in Manchester this season

 

Although I like the way this takes even more attention off Liverpool and lets them sneak further under the radar. They are a threat, I'm telling you

 

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Nah, Kenny Cunningham {Birmingham and Sunderland Legend :notallthere:} said it on RTE TV that Liverpool needed two major signings, one in the Center Back position and one up front.

Coates should, if/when he finally puts pen to paper, take care of one of those positions.

Up front, I don't know. It seems Bellendomy wants to go to Spurs where Harry can guarantee him first team football, which, of course, is why Crouch, soon to sign for Stoke, went there. I didn't know Spurs had a first team, to be honest. :scratcher:

I would like to see Liverpool sign a guy like Llorente.

EDIT: Just on an aside....Liverpool, in a sense, were winners of this very early-season joust, it took Liverpool 9 games last-season to rack up 7 points. This time it was 3 games, which not only saw them grab the 7, but leave Arsenal and Spurs 6 and 7 points in their wake. Very early days of course, and there will be set-backs, but if Liverpool were going to make a dash for a top 4 slot, and Europe-proper, then this is the very best start they could have had.

Newcastle of course, are also on 7 points ::

 

Europe here we come...
























...j/k... We are still shit and will be in amongst the relegation dogfight up to our necks by Christmas

MTF :blackcloud:

 

Hey, don't diss Kenny - he is a legend to all men who are losing their hair but refuse to acknowledge it or give in to shaving it all off. Actually, I'd say he is a very decent pundit, better than he was as a footballer.

Arsenal are handicapped by their wage limit I'd say, they're always looking for young English hopefuls or promising Europeans looking to make the next step for less than 90k a week.

 

No shit :: ....my mother took one look at him last night and said...."Who is that article??? Is that lad North-African"......:laugh11: ....Seeing as Kenny was rocking the Zidane-Baldness.......where every single follicle fights to the death before the inevitable badger-bristle shaving brush comes out, lathered up, soon to be followed by the blade. ::

Kenny can call a game, in fairness.

Wenger should follow the Stoke model.....South America and Africa are full of young studs who will play up for £5,000 a week and a promise that nobody is going to shoot them if the score an OG. I am beginning to think that Wenger's hard-core, purist code, rather than wage restraints, is the primary issue here.

 

Steve McClaren needs to shave his barnet too. Looks like he wears a wig. ::

 

I don't know. If Steves brain gets any colder it could seize totally.

 

From what I saw today, West Ham will finish in top 2. I still think it'll come down to the Hammers and Leicester for the title.

 

Middlesbrough have a great chance this season. Top 4 finish for them imo.

 

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I wanted revenge matches against either Brentford or Reading (the two clubs that knocked us out of the cups last season) but they both lost their first round ties.

 

What a massive achievement it will be for Fat Sam.....PS Parker being sold to Spurs now....

 

I have to get some Beatles records out and just check that they DIDN'T Sound like that :: That guy sounded like a complete berk.

 

Yeah. It was a poor accent. Sounded closest to John Lennon but still not very good.

I talk to my dog in a Scottish accent because he's from the Shetland Islands.

 

Don't you think its a pity that Everton have a clink as their crest? :dunno:

 

''Arsenal Football Club has announced it will be writing to fans who travelled to Old Trafford on Sunday with an offer to cover the cost of a match ticket at a future Barclays Premier League away game,'' a club statement read.

 

agREED. Only fair.