Pound for Pound...

Amir Khan at 135 < Breidis Prescott.

Don't worry fucko, the penny will drop. Eventually.

 

Floyd is a below average sized welterweight. So with his physical attributes at heavyweight he'd be say 6'0 and about 218, solid.

I'd hesitate at least, yeah.

 

PBF is a chicken-shit punk.

 

So, tellingly, would Floyd, who, according to loadedgloves, is ready for Vitali and Wlad in some fantasy Universe, but yet, right now, is loathe to take on former midget, and pfp king, Manny Pac. :scratcher:

According to loadedgloves.....melt Wlad down to 147 and he is Andre Berto. My point is that Amir Khan is already at that weight, or close enough, and hasn't done any better than Berto

To mention nothing of the fact that, pfp, Wlad is light years ahead of Berto.

 

You're making Hanzy look reasonable and sane right now.

 

because after the top three, it's hands down the WORST

 

I like when we agree, it doesn't usually happen, but it's nice

 

What if tomorrow he decides to boil down to 135, and he's a big lightweight? Would he then suddenly become a big heavyweight in a mythical p4p matchup?

 

Hanzy is reasonable and sane. He just likes to misbehave.

 

Apparently that's how it works with Pac........who cuts down to 145 and says he has reason to because he can't make 147.....which is BS.

There is NO WAY that Floyd Mayweather, at 200lbs, has the same movement that Wlad Klitschko does.

Hell, at 154, Floyd doesn't move around like Wlad does at 244.

Believe me when I tell you that Wlad has a better set of legs under him.

Every commentator worth their salt- usually only the Brits and Manny Steward, has said that his movement is phenomenal.

Does Berto have a jab like Wlad???

 

The underlying premise of a p4p matchup surely can't have escaped you to this extent.

 

For me, pfp is this: if so-and-so were the same size as each other, who would win.

That's pfp.

A 100g bar of soap A costs $1.

A 150g bar of a different brand, B, costs $1.20.

Which is the more expensive soap? Clearly B.


Which is pound-for-pound the more expensive soap? Clearly A.

Which is the better soap, pound-for-pound.....not so easy to answer. But it can be done, through reasonable tests.


For Reed, who is pfp-better is simply a question of who has the better "recent" competition. I don't find that to be a satisfactory definition. What defines "recent"?? Define recent for me? Floyd Mayweather retired recently.

So not only does that definition inject the subject concept of "recency", it also injects the pre-existing concept of "better" into the bargain.

Yet further, it ignores the simple reality that the public are influenced by previous bodies of work, work done in years gone by in lower weight divisions, which, according to Reed and Hut, they now must ignore. In practice, this cannot be expected to work. We immediately look at guys and say "he is a three weight champ". Is it pure coincidence that Floyd is pfp top? Floyds great claim to fame is NUMEROUS titles in NUMEROUS divisions. Reed says "recency" is the determining factor.

What is Floyd's "recency".....39 year old Mosley.....a gap year..........Juan Manuel Marquez..whom Floyd must have outweighed by 15lbs by fight night......a gap year........Ricky Hatton. Well fuck me. That is some recency right there.

At least with my model, you can make more accurate simulations. For instance, nobody with brain in their head would rob Wlad of his jab by "moving him down" a few divisions. We assume this remains constant. Nor would we assume he moves anything other than faster and more fluidly than he already does- excellent pre-existing movement, less mass, equals improved movement.

Somehow, you have concluded that he is Andre Berto, and that his brother, who has fast hands, a rock solid jaw, and unique variety, is Carlos Baldomir.

Sorry, but this is beyond madness. Baldomir had the variety of welfare cheese. Fuck it, Vitali probably already throws more punches @ 250 than Baldy did at 150.

At 250, Carlos Baldomir would be one, slow, repetitive, unimaginative piece of glorified target practice, throwing maybe 10 punches a round, cuts easy. He is the retarded cousin of Tex Cobb. He is Chuck Wepner with better hair and the same Ipod.

 

How is that different from what I said?

 

It isn't...we just disagreed as to the end result.

At 6'1" and 215lbs each, I see Adamek beating up Khan, cos Khan is an athlete first and a fighter second.h

At 5'10" and 145lbs each......well Khan has already lost to Breidis Prescott so......

..........the model works if you are prepared to develop a simulator for how fighters might increase/decrease in speed at higher weights, carry their power up or down, etc.

Its far more reliable than recency.

 

Well I'm basing my p4p on who what these guys have shown lately and who they can beat. Level of competition might have something to do with it, but more so I just haven't seen Donaire fight much, so I can't really rank a dude too high without knowing what he is capable of. Just going off the 'word' of fightbeat posters won't get me too far, guys like Pavlik, Martinez (soon to be), Dawson hell even a pseudo-bum like Olajide would be bouncing in and out of the p4p rankings. So I base the list on what I've seen.

 

You read my mind...

 

You couldn't have had a straight face when posting this nonsense.
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