Andre Berto vs. Zab Judah...

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  1. REEDsART

    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    Prime vs. Prime...

    2 CHINNY, EXPLOSIVE, ATHLETIC, Aggressive Fighters that Couldn't Follow a Fightplan w/a Roadmap...For the Most Part, Fightbeaters have LOW Opinions of Both, so Who Wins???...




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  2. Dog Jones

    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    BK's finest ices Berto with a counter left uppercut
     
  3. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

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    Judah 8/10
     
  4. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    That Zab that beat Spinks in the rematch, iced Cosme Riveria, and troubled Floyd early would have an EXCELLENT chance of stopping Berto.
     
  5. cdogg187

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    agreed

    I hate him, but I'm more impressed with his tools and "boxing ability" then Berto
     
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    why?

    he can't box at all

    his chin is on par with Judah's and he has less power
     
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    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Zab could actually fight a bit in his prime (as opposed to Berto). I think he'd stop Berto mid rounds.
     
  9. ILLUMINATI

    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Zab by TKO 7-9...if Berto could fight just a bit in the inside/up close it would be a bit more competitive.....Berto comes in winging if he lands good..if he misses(often) he fall in and has to clinch...
     
  10. Xplosive

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    Less footspeed and reflexes as well.
     
  11. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

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    toss up for me. but did judah ever beat a welter who could crack who was anywhere near as good as berto?
     
  12. Xplosive

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    And has Berto ever beaten anybody as good as Zab? Berto's best "win" is Collazo, if you can even call that a win. Zab at least has a definitive KNOCK OUT win over Spinks.

    What it comes down to is that a young Zab was faster of hand and foot, a straighter puncher, and a southpaw.

    Berto's defense is suspect vs against anybody, but its HORRIBLE against southpaws.
     
  13. Destruction and Mayhem

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    But with more heart, more dedication and he's the bigger man.
     
  14. Muzse

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    I can't see Berto winning this. Zab did have boxing skills and could be hard to hit. Most of those shots Berto loads up with he never gets off because Zab had the footwork to always keep berto moving his feet.

    If you stand in front of Berto he sets his feet and throws hard...make him move his feet even a little and he's standing in front of you flatfooted.

    Zab all the way here.
     
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    Neil tueur de grenouilles

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    berto isnt quite done yet though.
     
  16. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

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    But less street cred.
     
  17. Destruction and Mayhem

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    word. Dude should have filled his mouth with Platinum and hidden the fact that he originates from Haiti.
     
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    Muzse "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Berto never stepped foot in Haiti until after the earthquake and it was a good P.R. move.

    Secondly, Berto fought for Haiti in the Olympics because he was DQ'd from the U.S. Olympic Trials
     
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    I didn't know that. I agree on the P.R. move (it was also a convenient way to avoid fighting Shane Mosley, it can be argued)
     
  20. Muzse

    Muzse "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    yeah...he fought Juan McPherson in the first round and was winning the fight (I think). In the last minute or so he threw McPherson to the ground and McPherson landed awkwardly and hurt his neck. They took him out on a stretcher. The ref DQ'd Berto on the spot then the fun started.

    He filed an appeal and the DQ was overturned. berto won his next fight then a review committee reversed the overturned decision then upheld the DQ.

    Since Berto's dad was from Haiti, that's how Andre fought for Haiti (I believe he was their only boxer). Berto lost his first round match.

    The question is what happened to McPherson. I saw him fight a few times as an ammy and thought that guy had a good pro style and would make a great pro. I think I have at least one of his ammy fights on tape somewhere.

    the only thing I heard is he was depressed over not making the Olympic team and his pro career never took off.

    EDIT:

    Found a 2008 article about McPherson.

    http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2008/10/fighting_to_find_the_passion_o.html
     
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  21. Muzse

    Muzse "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Found this on the Sports Illustrated site:

    The two welterweights who had their last chance and didn't even know it, 152-pounders Juan McPherson and Andre Berto, are the sad residue of the Olympic trials held in Tunica, Miss., the week before. In the first round of their bout Berto threw McPherson to the canvas and, despite the almost comic blundering of USA Boxing (there were at least three reversals), the original decision of the ref and doctors—Berto out of the tournament by disqualification, McPherson out for being physically unable to continue—was upheld by an arbitrator the night before the box-offs. The new welterweight representative, Vanes Martirosyan, was named several days later, and following yet more bouts, the team was complete, if not fully polished. But it can only get better, right?
     
  22. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

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    berto got fucked in the trials because mcpherson had finkel backing him
     
  23. Muzse

    Muzse "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    You mean with the DQ reinstated?

    Didn't seem to help Juan much he was ruled out as well.
     

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